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Why do so many trains stink so badly and aren't air conditioned?
It's beyond my understanding, how they can't keep trains clean or at least clean to an extend to not wanting to break in a window in order to grasp some oxygen. Considering, that SBB is writing another record year in terms of revenue, we could at least expect clean, well ventilated and pleasantly scented trains. *end of rant*
Dah-ling, you simply must travel first class - all the smelly riff-raff and their diseases are kept far away and confined to the cattle class...
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Old 23.08.2011, 10:28
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It of course WAS from the night before. The "S5" for reasons I do not really understand is the "problem-line" of the ZVV, with more crime, more violence, more dirt than any other line. Amazingly enough, other lines in the same area like the S-16 and the S-7 are no problem. The ZVV has increased controls on the S5 and the Cantonal Police also has increased its presence on the S5, in order to get things under control
In no way is the S5 line 'in the same area' as the S7 or S16.... that's inland vs coastal.
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In addition to my experience I should also make very clear that in 2 years I have had no other unpleasant experiences on any of the public transport systems in Switzerland.

Personally I think they run a brilliant system with a standard difficult to top.
Try riding the S5 or any of the older trains on hot summer days. They have no windows, no aircon, and they get so hot I have to stand by the door to catch breaths of fresh air when doors open during stops to stop myself from fainting. My trip lasts 30 minutes, but a lot of people have to ride it for around an hour. For this crap I pay 16 chf, 8 with half-tax, but hey, the half-tax costs money too...I know it's only this hot for maybe one or two weeks a year, but the experience is horrible and could really lead people to faint.
If animals were to be transported in this condition a whole media storm would arise about how this is inhuman and against animal rights. We pay for the 'privilage'.
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Re: Filthy Trains

There is nothing - absolutely nothing - filthier smellier and hotter than the London underground in the summer.
Half the time the trains don't run and you get some nasal idiot languidly telling you to use another line and then, when you clamber up and down the steps with a suitcase onto the other line (no lifts of course) you get stuck in the tunnel, packed in like sardines, together with hundreds of other sweaty, smelly people.
We've given up complaining and stand there like blooming idiots foolishly raising our eyebrows at each other in disbelief.
Swiss trains are a luxury.
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There is nothing - absolutely nothing - filthier smellier and hotter than the London underground in the summer.....
Swiss trains are a luxury.
You obviously haven't taken the Eurocity pendolino trains between Geneva and Milan. The last few times we've been on them the carpets were filthy, the WCs stank to high heaven and we were nearly gassed by sewage smells washing through the train all through the Simplon tunnel. And before anybody asks, these trains were in SBB not Trenitalia livery.
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Old 23.08.2011, 23:29
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[QUOTE=Treverus;1144862]Well... but you pay the money to have the train cleaned AFTER the night. Honestly: It is a night train, it will be full of half drunk teenagers coming home from a party... yes, it will be messed up. I'd fully agree if the OP took the train the following morning and the cleaners didn't do their job. But how could they possibly clean everything that happens within a night shift? You obviously can do this with a station, there is simply a cleaner running around all the time - but a train? It moves... and only at the end of the night arrives at the depot where it is cleaned.

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Re: Filthy Trains

I think the answer here is pretty farking obvious isnt it!!!!

Hire a small army of oompa loompas to stand on every platform in Switzerland to IMMEDIATELY remove any currys, ice creams, sweet and sour pork FIASCOS that have blighted an already third world transport system.

My God the humanity.
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In no way is the S5 line 'in the same area' as the S7 or S16.... that's inland vs coastal.
Hääää ? I mean, the S5 serves Germany, and all three serve Stadelhofen on the Zürichsee "Coast" .........................


And I still remember how "stinky" Zürich Trams were in the 1950ies and 60ies, EXCEPT that their doors in spring, summer and autumn were OPEN, and you so could enter or leave wherever the tram came to a stop (or almost a stop) ! Deodorants were not yet in use and people were wearing fairly heavy clothing even in summer . So that my compassion with the "sufferers" above has its clear limits !!

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I do 80'000km+ on the trains every year and I must be lucky......they're usually clean. Of course the majority of travel I do is on ICN stock.

Main complaint I have is inconsiderate mobile phone users. Massimo Busacca is one of those, noisy little git was on the phone across from me a couple of week ago.

Second complaint is when the whole carriage is reserved for noisy kids.

On the whole, Swiss trains are excellent - especially if you get newer rolling stock.

Avoid old trains and football trains and you'll be ok
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Avoid old trains and football trains and you'll be ok
If your way home is only ever served by old trains, you can't really avoid them....
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Re: Filthy Trains

As others have said it is clear that the cleaning intervals on a lot of SBB routes are being pushed to an extreme. The trains were undoubtedly a whole lot cleaner when I first arrived three years ago.

I think what makes the situation worse is the contrast with most other aspects of life in Switzerland from apartments on handover through to the meticulously swept streets - some of the trains really do stand out as being filthy.

This was brought home to me this year was when I found myself admiring the cleanliness of the BART in San Francisco, the light rail system in Seattle, the VIA rail network in Canada and the Toronto and Montreal subways all of which were far cleaner than the S2 from Zurich airport, and most of which (ok not the Montreal metro) were decently air conditioned.

I feel sad that such a famous aspect of Swiss life is turning dirty and run down because of some accountants cutting costs. If the government want to devalue the franc some more then instead of frittering away reserves on crap currencies such as the USD and Euro how about embarking on some ambitious public spending to improve the infrastructure - better roads and clean trains would be a wonderful start!
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If your way home is only ever served by old trains, you can't really avoid them....
it's not - so I'm alright. Thanks for your concern, though - it's awfully nice of you
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Old 24.08.2011, 10:04
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If your way home is only ever served by old trains, you can't really avoid them....
I've been on one of the refurbished "old" S-Bahn trains last week (on the S2). The cars now have A/C, and the first car after the loco has been replaced by a low-floor car with space for bikes, wheelchairs and prams. Quite an improvement!
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Old 24.08.2011, 10:31
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As others have said it is clear that the cleaning intervals on a lot of SBB routes are being pushed to an extreme. The trains were undoubtedly a whole lot cleaner when I first arrived three years ago.

I think what makes the situation worse is the contrast with most other aspects of life in Switzerland from apartments on handover through to the meticulously swept streets - some of the trains really do stand out as being filthy.

This was brought home to me this year was when I found myself admiring the cleanliness of the BART in San Francisco, the light rail system in Seattle, the VIA rail network in Canada and the Toronto and Montreal subways all of which were far cleaner than the S2 from Zurich airport, and most of which (ok not the Montreal metro) were decently air conditioned.

I feel sad that such a famous aspect of Swiss life is turning dirty and run down because of some accountants cutting costs. If the government want to devalue the franc some more then instead of frittering away reserves on crap currencies such as the USD and Euro how about embarking on some ambitious public spending to improve the infrastructure - better roads and clean trains would be a wonderful start!
Exactly, many people mistake higher salaries with a better quality of life. There are ample soft factors, which are not included. For instance to name a few silly examples. Many trainsstation platforms in rural towns are set lower, because trains back in the days used to have a few steps. I've noticed, how elderly and walking impaired people struggle to get on and off trains as they'd have to make a roughly 30-40cm step. Also, for instance, in many countries I've observed how traffic lights are on the oposite side on an intersection, like that you can seen the traffic light when you're waiting up front/and in the back. In France, they even have traffic light a face level....I could go on with little perks that make life easier. In the end, I feel (and I've mentioined this ample times) that Switzerland is stuck in the 70s and the people fail to acknowledge the process happening around the world.
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Re: Filthy Trains

I can put with dirty trains (let's face it, a dirty train here would be classed as immaculate in England), loud mobile phone users, kids, and even perhaps those idiots who continue to use the original earphones supplied with their iPod - they might as well be using loudspeakers.

However, I'm forced to use the S12, and occasionally the S6, almost on a daily basis, and in weather like this they are unbearable. To prove a point, yesterday I borrowed a Fluke temperature monitor from work (they're pretty damned accurate pieces of kit). I sat on the opposite side from where the sun was coming in so as not to get an artificially high result and started monitoring the temperature. 10 mins into the journey it was reading 47.3 degrees C. Not believing this I switched the the secondary sensor on the monitor and got a result of 46.9 degrees C confirming the temperature was indeed around 47. During the journey it peaked at 48.1, but never went below 46.3. I also passed two of those building mounted date, time and temperature displays, you know, those big red LED type things, and they read 36 and 37 respectively indicating that the temperature in the train was about 10 degrees hotter than outside.

A nerdy, almost obsessive thing to do I agree, but I just had to find out. Am I right in believing that it's illegal to transport animals in such conditions?
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Also, for instance, in many countries I've observed how traffic lights are on the oposite side on an intersection, like that you can seen the traffic light when you're waiting up front/and in the back.
Yeah whats up with that here - seriously you pull up at some lights and then you cant bloody see them. Stooooooopid
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not all all--the thought had occurred to me as well the past few times I have had to take the S-Bahn, and I am neither obsessive nor nerdy. Just sick of feeling my face melt off my body for the five minutes I'm stuck in the steaming S-Bahn. Infathomable to me that ZVV failed to get proper ventilation--not chilly A/C, but just ventilation--when they purchased the newer S-Bahn trains.

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I take 3 trains to work:

S26 - very clean, ok smelling, peaceful, with a gorgeous working AC that is heaven sent in this heat.
S7 - Ok train. Once and a while the AC is on fire (like last friday), but other than the occasional teenie that is trying to prove his angst to the world by blowing his ear drumms with Rihanna, perfectly fine train.

and... o...m...g...

S5/S15 - Temperature inside the train on Monday afternoon: 42°C
Stench unberable, both in the morning and afternoon. And I don't even dare approching the WC area.
Quantity of angst teenies on IPhones with(out) earplugs makes it look like a guetto blaster metro carriage from the 80's
Quantity of children screaming, smearing cotton candy/sticky candy/banana peals on the windows: too high to believe your own eyes
quantity of 70+ SVP voters screaming on the seat next to you because they noticed your English book: too high to believe your own ears

I swear, the S5 is like the green Horseman of the Apocalipse, bringing pestilence through Zürich...
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Yeah whats up with that here - seriously you pull up at some lights and then you cant bloody see them. Stooooooopid
I just daydream and wait for the honk from behind me.
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