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That doesn't make it illegal, and until you show me it is illegal, then I'll stand by what I've written.

Have you never heard of cases where people are taken by the police to stations to pay or to the nearest cash point? 'Cos I have.

As I said, customs can pretty much do whatever they want if they think they have "reasonable grounds".
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Those people at the border are authorised to use rubber gloves.

I see no complaint here.

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this kind of attitude is remarkable. what is ok about the customs agent GRABBING A FIFTY out of this guy's wallet without (1) issuing him a fine and (2) giving him the option of (a) voluntarily paying the fine on the spot, (b) contesting the fine or (c) getting a bill in the mail?

and to the other poster, yes i can see it from the customs agent's point of view that people try to weasel their way out of fines and sneak stuff over the border all the time. however, this doesn't give them the right to deprive people of their money without due process. to do so is theft, plain and simple. those who are charged with enforcing our laws should be held to a higher standard, not a lower one.
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I want to thank those of you who expressed your views to me though critically but with KIND WORDS and also those who saw my hurt. kind words with truth heals. I appreciate this. I marked you with Thanks.
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Old 29.03.2011, 18:40
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Ok, I do not think the customs officer had the right to search her wallet, they have the right to search if they think you are bringing something illegal into the country but your wallet?
Unfortunately this is not so uncommon, when crossing the border with Italy we got 3 customs officers and I opened my wallet looking for some receipts and he just took them and then said oh not it's ok...I felt a bit uncomfortable but since I was not carrying anything illegal and I was calmed I said nothing. To OP well you are not supposed to bring more than 500 grams of meat per person to CH, not that nobody does it, but it is the law, still I think I would also be upset at the trespassing of my personal space (and wallet)!!!
That's not technically true. You are allowed to bring as much meat as you want...but only 0.5Kg of that is tax free.

I got caught at customs at Geneva airport with way too much meat and chicken once. They charged me the excess VAT then multiplied it by 2 for the fine.

The customs guy said that regardless of you being above or below the limit you should declare any meat that you bring into the country through Geneva airport...sure enough next time I went through there was a sign saying that
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I want to thank those of you who expressed your views to me though critically but with KIND WORDS and also those who saw my hurt. kind words with truth heals. I appreciate this. I marked you with Thanks.
and the people who disagreed with you got groans.

Well done.

Sorry you don't like what happened, learn, move on, groan.
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and the people who disagreed with you got groans.

Well done.

Sorry you don't like what happened, learn, move on, groan.
Is that not what the groan button is for?
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due process


You're American, aren't you?
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You're American, aren't you?
you realize that due process came from the magna carta?
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Re: Was the customs officer right or wrong?

I dont not care if people here DISAGREE or AGREE with me..the manner of expressing it is what i am saying... harsh or kindly. So dont get me WRONG. Go and check those i ticked thanks.
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you realize that due process came from the magna carta?
Is that a Swiss document, then?
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no, it's an english term for the concept that people aren't supposed to be stripped of their possessions without some orderly procedure in order to protect their basic rights. since we're on the english forum, i thought i would use english words, although i'm sure somebody better versed than me in german could find the german word for it. smug fool.
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Old 29.03.2011, 18:56
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Hmm...Switzerland, thankfully, is pretty up on their civil liberties, which is nice. If this has happened to me the 7/11 security guards would be on 80% of their salary by the end of the month. Grabbing my money indeed.
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Old 29.03.2011, 18:58
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i and a friend went shopping first time in Marktkauf close to switzerland border...and bought about 1kg meat each costing 10euro. Only to get at the border, and we were checked and charged double the amount for carrying over half kilo meat into switzerland to our ignorance. And if we donot pay right away we will be bill 50 chf each. But the thing is that...we did not even have money to pay the fine (this is the reason we went shopping in germany in the first place) and i was ready to return the meat rather than pay such amount.But to my amazement the custom guy ask for our wallets and went on to search for money and ofcourse forcefully took money for a bill i kept aside. Dont i have the right to return the meat or dump it in Germany? And why should he after showing him my pass went on to take my wallet to search for money? I was so angry that i told him he has no right to forcefully take money ...but said we are at the custom so he has right to check us. right now i am so angry with the whole issue..because some people i met after told us they have no right to take our money forcefully and also we have the right to return the meat back than pay. Some said i should go to the police. Please tell me your views.
No you cannot dump the meat. That is as good as being caught with some illicit drugs, trying to back-pedal by saying "oopsie daisies, I'll just throw that away!".

Carlos is right - no excuse for ignorance of the law.

However, I am appalled that he took your wallet and helped himself to the contents in there!!! Thats just way out of line. Having said that, really no use going to the police. I would however find the relevant authorities to write to, a letter about the attitude of the officer. Be apologetic about breaking the law but state firmly that such behaviour from the customs officer is unacceptable.

Dont expect a reply though. Just get it out of your system, move on and stick to 499grams of meat in future
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no, it's an english term for the concept that people aren't supposed to be stripped of their possessions without some orderly procedure in order to protect their basic rights. since we're on the english forum, i thought i would use english words, although i'm sure somebody better versed than me in german could find the german word for it. smug fool.
Yeah, but the thing is, Billy-Bob, that principles of law derived from some dusty old bit of English parchment aren't particularly relevant when we're discussing an incident that took place on the Swiss/German border.

You are aware, I presume, that Switzerland was never part of the British Empire?
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Old 29.03.2011, 19:03
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You are aware, I presume, that Switzerland was never part of the British Empire?
DB, logically this simply cannot be true.
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No you cannot dump the meat. That is as good as being caught with some illicit drugs, trying to back-pedal by saying "oopsie daisies, I'll just throw that away!".

Carlos is right - no excuse for ignorance of the law.

However, I am appalled that he took your wallet and helped himself to the contents in there!!! Thats just way out of line. Having said that, really no use going to the police. I would however find the relevant authorities to write to, a letter about the attitude of the officer. Be apologetic about breaking the law but state firmly that such behaviour from the customs officer is unacceptable.

Dont expect a reply though. Just get it out of your system, move on and stick to 499grams of meat in future
It's true. IMO it would have been fine for the guy to issue a spot fine (you were caught smuggling man!) and detained the suspect until he could come up with the money, transferring him to a court within the appropriate time period. There is no way however, a copper or a judge or anybody can have the right to forcibly take money especially on the spot without trial.
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smug fool.
Quick caution: this bit isn't acceptable here. I'm sure you see that. Carry on...
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Re: Was the customs officer right or wrong?

The last time I checked the OP said that he was crossing the Swiss Border not the Libyan Border... The customs can check all they want, go through the stuff, give a hefty fine etc but No One and I mean NO ONE... is authorized to forcefully take their money... This is BS and the OP has every right to be P***ed.

The other side of this could be that the OP speaks limited German and the Customs officer asked them to pay either cash or through card and the OP did not get it so that they took it upon themselves to kindly relieve the OP of their money and save them the trouble to go Die Post and pay the Bill.
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If you don't declare it, then you will pay double the duty.
I thought the fine was 2x duty, plus you have to pay the duty!

(or is that only for VAT?)

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Re: Was the customs officer right or wrong?

I think it is unfortunate OP didn't get the relevant info, but honestly, having a custom cop basically paying himself from my wallet would make me call civil cops. I wonder if they would dare this with a local offender...
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Re: Was the customs officer right or wrong?

I have seen customs officers taking apart someones car because they did not declare stuff at the border. I would rather my purse searched...

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Ok, I do not think the customs officer had the right to search her wallet, they have the right to search if they think you are bringing something illegal into the country but your wallet?
Unfortunately this is not so uncommon, when crossing the border with Italy we got 3 customs officers and I opened my wallet looking for some receipts and he just took them and then said oh not it's ok...I felt a bit uncomfortable but since I was not carrying anything illegal and I was calmed I said nothing. To OP well you are not supposed to bring more than 500 grams of meat per person to CH, not that nobody does it, but it is the law, still I think I would also be upset at the trespassing of my personal space (and wallet)!!!
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