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Old 20.04.2011, 09:24
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Re: Lack of reality...

I suggest we start a new thread where everyone puts their salary on as a post and then we decide who to slag off as an overpaid donkeys landing gear
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Re: Lack of reality...

I've been in Switzerland coming up 5 months now. All I know by this point about salary levels is it doesn't matter what you read on the forum (and I read plenty before I came), nothing prepares you for the way costs are divided here. I came from California, where food is amazingly cheap compared to here, eating out for $10 is possible because the 'hole-in-the-wall' places are good. So when you arrive everything seems exorbitantly expensive. But then there's the taxes. And then after your head has stopped spinning and you actually take notice of your day to day living, you realize transport is cheap, very cheap if, like me, you're a federal employee and get the half price rail fare for free (something I didn't even know about before I came). And that the Swiss way of doing things makes certain expenses that I thought were unavoidable - a car for example - totally avoidable (thanks to the excellent car sharing scheme). And so I don't even think it is possible to say 'Oh, I lived this way in XXX on $YY so it will cost me YYchf a year to match that lifestyle'. It's a different country, life is different.

I was headhunted I suppose, you either take the chance or not. In some areas the lifestyle I imagined on my salary has materialized, in some ways not, but it has actually had very little to do with the income level, more to do with Swiss ways of doing things ('rules' on housing etc.). And, rather obviously, the circumstances of the job. So I think people are reaching out for assurance on whether to make a change in their lives when they think their question is about money.

I say take the chance, but then I would wouldn't I! I've moved countries three times in two years effectively and it is my humble opinion that the potential for change in any move is too good to turn down. The other thing I know for sure is that you can't be prepared for any new country before you get there; knowing how (living the experience) and knowing that (reading the theory) are always different.
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I suggest we start a new thread where everyone puts their salary on as a post and then we decide who to slag off as an overpaid donkeys landing gear
I totally agree, in all fairness, just to get a bit of perspective to the whole malarkey.

I've heard Mars Confectioners would put everyone's salary details and bonus's on the public bulletin boards for the employees for transparency and facilitating slag offs.
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Re: Lack of reality...

I'll start with mine.. 65k.. just enough to buy NILs Buddha
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Old 20.04.2011, 09:53
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But a student earning 50k will pay the same tax as Joe blogs earning 50k?
depends if same canton or not, if has kids/family or not, if has 3rd pillar or not etc etc etc etc.............
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I'll start with mine.. 65k.. just enough to buy NILs Buddha
And you are about it?

Did you know that the assistants at Migros check out counters earn more than that?!

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Old 20.04.2011, 10:29
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I suggest we start a new thread where everyone puts their salary on as a post and then we decide who to slag off as an overpaid donkeys landing gear
That's going to illicit some totally honest and fair answers no doubt. We're managing to handle the personal attacks pretty well on EF without salary input thank you very much.

If you were to implement a poll however, would these earning brackets/insults be relevant?

Less than CHF 50K = Poor f**ker (student)
CHF 50K-80K = Poor teacher
CHF 80K-120K = Medium proletariat tosser
CHF 120K-200K = Middle class w@nker
CHF 200-300K = Banker/insurance b@stard
More than CHF 300K = Your choice of expletive
More than CHF 1M = Private banking (Portfolio) manager
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Old 20.04.2011, 10:32
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That's going to illicit some totally honest and fair answers no doubt. We're managing to handle the personal attacks pretty well on EF without salary input thank you very much.

If you were to implement a poll however, would these earning brackets/insults be relevant?

Less than CHF 50K = Poor f**ker (student)
CHF 50K-80K = Poor teacher
CHF 80K-120K = Medium proletariat tosser
CHF 120K-200K = Middle class w@nker
CHF 200-300K = Banker/insurance b@stard
More than CHF 300K = Your choice of expletive
More than CHF 1M = Private banking (Portfolio) manager
Net or gross? Single or double income?
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Old 20.04.2011, 10:35
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That's going to illicit some totally honest and fair answers no doubt. We're managing to handle the personal attacks pretty well on EF without salary input thank you very much.

If you were to implement a poll however, would these earning brackets/insults be relevant?

Less than CHF 50K = Poor f**ker (student)
CHF 50K-80K = Poor teacher
CHF 80K-120K = Medium proletariat tosser
CHF 120K-200K = Middle class w@nker
CHF 200-300K = Banker/insurance b@stard
More than CHF 300K = Your choice of expletive
More than CHF 1M = Private banking (Portfolio) manager
Are you suggesting all cynically like, that not all posts on this forum are totally 100pct legit?
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Old 20.04.2011, 10:51
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Less than CHF 50K = Poor f**ker (student)
CHF 50K-80K = Poor teacher
CHF 80K-120K = Medium proletariat tosser
CHF 120K-200K = Middle class w@nker
CHF 200-300K = Banker/insurance b@stard
More than CHF 300K = Your choice of expletive
More than CHF 1M = Private banking (Portfolio) manager
Last I heard, teachers in CH are pretty well off - compared to their UK counterparts, anyways...

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Are you suggesting all cynically like, that not all posts on this forum are totally 100pct legit?
Let me get back to you on that...
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That's going to illicit some totally honest and fair answers no doubt. We're managing to handle the personal attacks pretty well on EF without salary input thank you very much.

If you were to implement a poll however, would these earning brackets/insults be relevant?

Less than CHF 50K = Poor f**ker (student)
CHF 50K-80K = Poor teacher
CHF 80K-120K = Medium proletariat tosser
CHF 120K-200K = Middle class w@nker
CHF 200-300K = Banker/insurance b@stard
More than CHF 300K = Your choice of expletive
More than CHF 1M = Private banking (Portfolio) manager
This is so unfair and illogical!

So basically what you're saying is someone earning:

CHF 50K is a poor f**cking teacher.
CHF 120K is Medium Middle Class tossing w@anker.
CHF 200K is a w@nking b@stard.
CHF 300K is a b@stard with your choice of expletive.

?????
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Old 20.04.2011, 10:56
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Last I heard, teachers in CH are pretty well off - compared to their UK counterparts, anyways...

Well, if we're comparing jobs we know with what they earn in Country X vs here... the one that caught my eye is essentially what I used to do in the US earning not even 30k/yr and here will be considerably more (like, twice as much as "necessary" to tempt hubby to stop working... )
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Old 20.04.2011, 10:57
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This is so unfair and illogical!

So basically what you're saying is someone earning:

CHF 50K is a poor f**cking teacher.
CHF 120K is Medium Middle Class tossing w@anker.
CHF 200K is a w@nking b@stard.
CHF 300K is a b@stard with your choice of expletive.

?????
Oi you calling me a b@stard?
oh crap
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Oi you calling me a b@stard?
oh crap
Atleast you have your choice of expletive in my case!
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Well, if we're comparing jobs we know with what they earn in Country X vs here... the one that caught my eye is essentially what I used to do in the US earning not even 30k/yr and here will be considerably more (like, twice as much as "necessary" to tempt hubby to stop working... )
Good luck with the application
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Last I heard, teachers in CH are pretty well off - compared to their UK counterparts, anyways...
We are - but Assassin was still spot on with his salary classification.
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Don't do that, the last thing we want is Assasin thinking he's right.

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Re: Lack of reality...

I think it is an interesting issue...I don't think people need to be protected from reality of life, one of the facts simply is, some people do have more cash than us. Who cares. The questions (about survival on a lot more than others easily do here) can be motivated by whatever practical reasons. I don't think anyone deserves any flack. If people can't manage on a lot, it's their biz. If others know how to be frugal, no reasons to be self righteous.

I also think the minute people feel in control over their own financial situation they stop looking at other people's finances and attitudes..why should they, anyways? If there are people with no manners who rub in their own wealth, for whatever reasons, again, their loss.

I actually think, social determinism aside and fatalism, too, we all have pretty good chances on bettering our own situations or learning how to cope. To pass a judgment is weird. If we were kids, or something seriously hindered us, I'd understand (like female work situ, for example), but why bring some cast society or determinism theories into a society and place where we do have good options, if we want or aren't afraid. If somebody wealthy back home sneers, they end up with no friends. I don't think it is really that accepted within expact community either, so why be judgmental, even if reversely. Better your situ, start working on it now, make investments, stop looking in people's wallet (like it happens to me in Migros ever so often ).

Locals I know might say how little they need for different things but quite often, are blowing cash on other stuff I wouldn't waste cash on, or, have serious help from parents, family. One has to take info on budget with a grain of salt. Of course the general sentiment is to reward those who manage on peanuts rather than reward those who worked hard and made sacrifices to be where they are now (since they are already awarded their fat pay check), but honestly, everyone's situ is different. I think I value people according to other than financial scale, how they manage their finances or how much info they are actually honestly willing to share with me.
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Comments like this make me nuts:



I'm fairly certain my m-i-l lives on less, as do hubby and I (yes, that's two of us, not just a singleton).

Firstly, my hubby works in an industry which is notorious around the globe for paying low wages, Switzerland, compared to what others (read: expats) deem as acceptable pay, is certainly no exception.

week to live "comfortably"!
Don`t tell me you hubby works in H.V.A.C. to
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