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I would say "jerk" out loud. Or "Böse". I dont know any german swear words but i will react real loud. And then buy my daughter ice cream!
Well, in Swiss German you would yell after the perpetrator
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Hey, shouldn't you be like doing some needle work?
It's lot more productive. Patchwork is nice.

Look, is what I made on the day my child was born, I finished this 20min before the contractions started, hahaha.
I am done! Blanket is finished, stuff are clean, bag is ready, diapers are out, I am fully prepared! Nice work by the way!
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Many of you said that if she was with my husband, it wouldn't have happened.

I find it interesting. Because actually everytime we go somewhere it is very crowded, I never get pushed or bumped into when I am with hubby. He is never bumbed either. But it is an interesting fact that on my own, I'll be pushed and bumped a lot but at the moment he is with us.... nada!

Maybe they are scared of him?
This is speculation. While MY speculation on the basis of your statement is something about the body-measurements of your hubby
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Yesterday we were out and my daughter was happily walking and jumping around, like a toddler loves to do. The halle was large and empty. A man was coming our way and was looking straight at my daughter, she wasn't looking in front of her and the man (who was looking at her) walk straight into her. No attempt to avoid her, no attempt to stop, nope, all in full speed, hit her on her forehead and of course, she felt down crying while he bitched at her and walk away.

She was next to me and believe me, the area around us was huge both side of us, groups of people could have easily pass both side. But that middle age man came and with a straight face hit her (actually was more like walking all over her).

Now, how someone does react to that? I heard many stories of friends who had their kids hit by strangers. And each time, it is this urge to stand up and kick the hell out of that piece of sh*t but in reality, on the moment, one is such in shock that not much reaction comes out.

I began to scream at the guy, who kept walking away like nothing happened.... All I could think was to run after him and beat the crap out of him! Which wouldn't have help my cause (I would have feel much better thought!). But how a 9 months pregnant woman could achieve that anyway....

To bump into an adult in the street because one refuse to let space is one thing but how someone can bump into a young child on purpose?

Yes, we find idiots everywhere. But how someone should react to them?

What would you do?
funny, this never happened to our kid yet but i had people walk into me several times in the last month (again, is it me?), and i am 186cm, 95kg. So I dont think this is related to you being a woman or undersized or anything.

regarding your question what i would do in such a situation (or have done in the previous situations), i reserve the right to not answer, but it aint pretty...

have you considered the possibility of grabbing the guy in the arm and calling your husband?
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have you considered the possibility of grabbing the guy in the arm and calling your husband?
Why husband? The mafia doesn't work on satudays or what?
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have you considered the possibility of grabbing the guy in the arm and calling your husband?
And what if the guy hit me? I am certainly not allowed to grab someone and he would have knock me down pretty fast.
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Why husband? The mafia doesn't work on satudays or what?
The thing is this is the way things would have been done in Turkey. Actually, I never saw someone touching a child or a pregnant woman. But let's assume, the husband, being there will have step in right away.

And all the people around would have step in too! the guy would have been in big trouble.

But Selim, it is not the way things are done here!
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I am done! Blanket is finished, stuff are clean, bag is ready, diapers are out, I am fully prepared! Nice work by the way!
Sterilizer? Pizzas in the freezer? Wipes, eye infection drops, nose sucky thing, vitamins for you? How big is your bag? I think I went with a 20kilo one, it was a tad overkill.

What blanket did you make? then I made matching tapis de jeu this and this, hahaha, needed to recycle few old things. Thanks, though.

I also think the ramming into people does not usually happens when a dude is around. Eh, the history of woman's rights in this country... I blame that.
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The thing is this is the way things would have been done in Turkey. Actually, I never saw someone touching a child or a pregnant woman. But let's assume, the husband, being there will have step in right away.

And all the people around would have step in too! the guy would have been in big trouble.

But Selim, it is not the way things are done here!

if you are referring to the mafia quote, no this is not how such things are handled in turkey. First, bumping somebody (especially shoulder contact) is only used as a means to challenge and express domination, its a guy thing. No body ever touches a woman or a child. God forbid but if such a thing happens, gentlemen in the near vicinity will take care of the situation as you mentioned earlier.

basel is a small place, i guarantee you will run into the same dude again. Just show him to your husband next time
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Sterilizer? Check Pizzas in the freezer? Check Wipes Check, eye infection drops Check, nose sucky thing Check, vitamins for you Check? How big is your bag? Didn't check I think I went with a 20kilo one, it was a tad overkill.

What blanket did you make? then I made matching tapis de jeu this and this, hahaha, needed to recycle few old things. Thanks, though.

I also think the ramming into people does not usually happens when a dude is around. Eh, the history of woman's rights in this country... I blame that.
I'll have to take a picture of the Blanket... The car seat is already in the car, bed is washed, bottles are sterilised, etc...

I just didn't expect to get a cold!

I think you did mention that in one thread somewhere, your husband is quite big so people tend to not mess with him, is that right?
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Someone told me a while ago that the 'ART' of out 'swissing' someone was to do exactly what this nugget has done to your wee lassie.
Obviously the person who moves out of the way has lost but I hardly think it counts for kids.
I am sure that if your weren't away to pop you would have chased the bugger down the road.
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if you are referring to the mafia quote, no this is not how such things are handled in turkey. First, bumping somebody (especially shoulder contact) is only used as a means to challenge and express domination, its a guy thing. No body ever touches a woman or a child. God forbid but if such a thing happens, gentlemen in the near vicinity will take care of the situation as you mentioned earlier.

basel is a small place, i guarantee you will run into the same dude again. Just show him to your husband next time
I didn't referred to the Mafia thing, I was actually saying what you are saying here. I always felt very protected by men in Istanbul. And kids are the most precious things in the world for Turcs. Mashallah!

The story is behind us, I wouldn't remember the guy's face. I was just curious to know what would be other parents reaction when something like this happen.

I think it is very shocking when it happens and not much reaction comes out beside a Wak! yelled and some words the guy didn't understand most likely. And it is always after that you day dream of what you could have said or done. But on the moment, it is usually this reaction: .

This kind of thread brings a lot of melo-drama when people began to assume, began to create new facts that are not in the OP. It's rarely stick on the questions and opinions asked but goes too often into the let's jump on the OP's throat. I was aware of it when I wrote the thread, just a bit surprised of who would react that way thought!
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I am sure that if your weren't away to pop you would have chased the bugger down the road.
You bet! I almost took the challenge yesterday!
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This can't be the first time someone has been a bit shocked by the behavior of another person in another culture. Ive heard and experienced Nil's sort of complaint many times.
The first time I ever went to Zürich, I was completely floored when I saw a man run into a 7 year old girl walking next to her mom, knock her flat, and then step over her crying body without even a glance. Nobody on the packed street said a word.
My neighbour, whom I like very much was sick of 'outside' children on our apartment play area, so he went outside and kicked all of their toys out of the way and bitched them out. A few were only two or three years old. Yes, their mothers should have been more respectful, but why not take the adult approach of conversation?
When my son was newborn, I was sitting on the train once (in the stroller/wheelchair section) where an old man proceeded to tell me for the next five minuted that mothers with babies need to stand up in the entrance part of the trains. I ignored him, and he spent the rest of the train ride making faces and gestures at me as if he were a naughty five year old. I too, feel certain that if my husband were there, he would not have dared to do it.
When my son was 9 weeks old, an old woman kicked his stroller, her foot in contact with the bassinette where he was laying because we were in a crowded area and she couldn't get through. There were around 70 people trying to move forward, she aimed for the baby.
I could go on, but the point is that I also find the level of disrespect for women, and for children and their ways a bit shocking, and if someone ran into my kid to prove the point of their right of way, I would also find it heartless and disturbing.
I don't understand why it is hard to understand?
If I knock over the next pair of 80 year olds blocking the path in Switzerland, will they be told to suck it up and move on because they should be a bit more agile anyway, or stay at home out of everyone's way?
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This can't be the first time someone has been a bit shocked by the behavior of another person in another culture. Ive heard and experienced Nil's sort of complaint many times.
The first time I ever went to Zürich, I was completely floored when I saw a man run into a 7 year old girl walking next to her mom, knock her flat, and then step over her crying body without even a glance. Nobody on the packed street said a word.
My neighbour, whom I like very much was sick of 'outside' children on our apartment play area, so he went outside and kicked all of their toys out of the way and bitched them out. A few were only two or three years old. Yes, their mothers should have been more respectful, but why not take the adult approach of conversation?
When my son was newborn, I was sitting on the train once (in the stroller/wheelchair section) where an old man proceeded to tell me for the next five minuted that mothers with babies need to stand up in the entrance part of the trains. I ignored him, and he spent the rest of the train ride making faces and gestures at me as if he were a naughty five year old. I too, feel certain that if my husband were there, he would not have dared to do it.
When my son was 9 weeks old, an old woman kicked his stroller, her foot in contact with the bassinette where he was laying because we were in a crowded area and she couldn't get through. There were around 70 people trying to move forward, she aimed for the baby.
I could go on, but the point is that I also find the level of disrespect for women, and for children and their ways a bit shocking, and if someone ran into my kid to prove the point of their right of way, I would also find it heartless and disturbing.
I don't understand why it is hard to understand?
If I knock over the next pair of 80 year olds blocking the path in Switzerland, will they be told to suck it up and move on because they should be a bit more agile anyway, or stay at home out of everyone's way?

i dont think these qualities define the swiss culture well. i think the treatment of others (kids, pregnent women, elderly, foreigners etc) is very bi-modal here in switzerland. i have seem some of the warmest and nicest, also some of the rudest types already in my few months here. somehow the culture is very inhomogeneous, much more so than other countries i have been to. Must be related to some underlying factor, but couldnt figure out what it is yet...
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Last night, I spoke to a woman who's first child died at birth and her second has Down's Syndrome.
I also spoke to another woman who used to take care of young children whose mothers were suffering from post-natal depression.
The reason why I groaned you is because the fact that you spoke to someone who has more serious problems than the rest of us does not give you the right to conclude that Nil does not have a right to complain. And like you said you should stay away from these posts if they really offend you, plus I do not take hitting a child apparently on purpose as something not worth complaining about, I would have be@tch slapped the mofo.
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i dont think these qualities define the swiss culture well. i think the treatment of others (kids, pregnent women, elderly, foreigners etc) is very bi-modal here in switzerland. i have seem some of the warmest and nicest, also some of the rudest types already in my few months here. somehow the culture is very inhomogeneous, much more so than other countries i have been to. Must be related to some underlying factor, but couldnt figure out what it is yet...
This is true, although it is yet another stereotype. I think people's view get influenced by monetary way of seeing things, the respect they give to somebody, their earning potential, market value, etc. Women do not have it easy here in terms of career and cash earning situations still. Re the unfortunate voting issue, I think they are mostly treated really well, but some people still show the fact they do not contribute much value to them. I know it sounds simplistic and super far fetched but it sometimes seems that way to me. I was shocked by some attitudes I got here when I started working, ie - wow, I am surprised you can produce some cerebral activity.

I have encountered some best mannered people on Earth here, most people are civil if a tad ceremonial and distant. But polite and things are smooth. Then you have one or two, who are totally aware of their ill behavior, they also target certain people, they aren't mean to all. All the menace I have encountered seemed pretty calculated. It wasn't your typical clumsy warm-hearted redneck. When I lived in boonies here, people were unexposed and rather black and white, predictable, but super warm and nice, they wouldn't ever hurt anyone. They would go out of their way, not ram into you.

Then you move to more cosmo area and get pummeled to ground by some power stricken rude people, who at the same time walk in a large radius around my hubby. I think it is the sudden feeling of power and some disrespect to chicks. I have seen men treating their moms and sisters ill here. Another thing is the fact state contributes the least amount of budget into children in here of all Europe. It is all paid by citizens, parents themselves. Which means some people translate that value again cash wise, ie the message - kids might not be worth the investments, let's have parents foot it all. We have high birth rate in CH, so not such awe and royalty treatment of kids here. I read about it in the research of kids' happiness and measurement of this, some EU research a while ago. If state chips in, playground are nice, schools have supplies and are high quality, enough day cares, etc. people have positive and respectful attitude to kids which makes kids happy, in return.

Sory, hijack, just wanted to ponder over what selimhan wrote.
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Re: Strangers hitting [walking straight into] your kids

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I'm surprised by the nature of the responses. I've never witnessed a stranger consciously knock another persons child down. Not even in a shopping mall or on the busy streets of Chicago where I lived/worked several years. In the US this situation would likely be handled in a violent manner, if not by the parents then by another person who witnessed the event and I would bet that the police would be on the parents side in this case. I'm surprised no one came to your aid. I would bet the man is mentally ill as no one in their right mind would do such a thing.
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It's part of the Swiss passive-aggressive behaviour. If they had time they'd slap post-it notes on your kid's forehead saying "stay at home, get out of my way, ANON" but they don't so they kick the push chair, shout at them etc.

In many other countries they'd get thumped for this behaviour, but not here so loads of old people act aggressive. Similar in Germany (famous story of a 60-ish year old pushing someone looking foreign onto the ubahn tracks a couple of years ago) but not as bad as here, on average.

Having said that, I think I prefer passive aggressive behaviour, as I prefer to be shouted at and have random notes stuck around, than to be stabbed. Luckily, I've not offended anyone yet, probably because in London I'd be afraid of the stabbing thing.
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I think that ANYONE who runs into a child, and especially if they knock that child down or hurt them in any way, should apologize... regardless of whose fault it was. In situations like this, I think "fault" is ofter a matter of perspective versus perspective, anyways. And besides, you just can't expect a child to be as mindful of others as adults should be... not to mention the fact that a 9 mos. pregnant woman can't move very quickly to pull her child out of the way.
I myself am 3 mos. pregnant with my first child, and especially after reading some of the posts above, I really have so many fears about raising a child here. I've lived in Switz. for 2 years now, and it has been my experience that the Swiss are much less friendly and considerate than are Americans or Brits, in general.
Nil, congratulations on your pregnancy, and I hope the birth goes very well. Also, I want to apologize on behalf of my crazy hormones that I believe were responsible for my bitchiness when you and I got into it a few months ago on here. I really do sincerely apologize for that. Lesson learned ~ avoid public forums at all costs while experiencing sudden hormonal shifts!
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