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Old 20.04.2011, 17:19
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Re: Cyclists on pedestrian crossings

So without the information appearing in their EF profile, we have discovered that the following members do not ride bicycles:

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DB doesn't count as he admitted it.
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Old 20.04.2011, 17:20
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They are allowed to go down some one-way streets (indeed, AFAIK, most of the one-way streets in Basel you can, as cyclist go either way... as it were).
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So without the information appearing in their EF profile, we have discovered that the following members do not ride bicycles:

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Is that relevant in some way?
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So without the information appearing in their EF profile, we have discovered that the following members do not ride bicycles:

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DB doesn't count as he admitted it.
That's relevant because...?

Edit: doh... beaten to it...
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Old 20.04.2011, 17:22
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Is that relevant in some way?
Absolutely. If you rode a bike you would appreciate that not all cyclists are like the ones you treat with contempt.

If I really hated dogs and their owners and put it in a thread, I bet people would suggest I spend more time with dogs and their owners, or get one myself.
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Old 20.04.2011, 17:23
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So without the information appearing in their EF profile, we have discovered that the following members do not ride bicycles:

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Carlos
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Treverus

DB doesn't count as he admitted it.
Wrong! But I don't wear lycra, so I guess I'm not serious about it. As a cyclist and a motorist (and pedestrian), I obey the rules of the road. It's really not terribly difficult.

I am aware that there are cyclists who are in fact, observant, careful and courteous. I'm also aware that there are honest lawyers and politicians. I just tend not to encounter many.

I don't like dogs or their owners much, either.
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Old 20.04.2011, 17:26
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Absolutely. If you rode a bike you would appreciate that not all cyclists are like the ones you treat with contempt.

If I really hated dogs and their owners and put it in a thread, I bet people would suggest I spend more time with dogs and their owners, or get one myself.
So in your eyes, only current cycling activity/experience applies? If we have ridden bikes in the past this doesn't count?

Nice logic there.
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Old 20.04.2011, 17:45
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So without the information appearing in their EF profile, we have discovered that the following members do not ride bicycles:

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DB doesn't count as he admitted it.
Search harder and you will find out that I actually bought a road bike from another EF member in a charity auction that financially supported the website before it was sold to the local...

The thing is: I never ever had the need to ride straight over red lights, overtake headlessly on the right where a car is already indicating that it wants to turn right... or ride at full speed through a pedestrian precinct.

I am not saying that I do not make mistakes, but easily some 80% of cyclists in Zurich are riding outright dangerously. I am tired of always having to think for them as well... and whenever there is an accident it is always the car driver that gets the blame.
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Old 20.04.2011, 17:51
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The thing is: I never ever had the need to ride straight over red lights, overtake headlessly on the right where a car is already indicating that it wants to turn right... or ride at full speed through a pedestrian precinct.
The other one I really like, is when you want to pull over to parallel park (no cycle lane). You start indicating to reverse, there's no one in your blind spot, the car behind as either gone around or given you enough space, but the cyclist that you went past 5 mins ago has caught up, and instead of either waiting or going around you, decides to plough on between you and parking spot, entering your blind spot at the most dangerous point when you are not even looking out for them - because really no one would be that stupid, would they... - as you are trying to get into the parking space...
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Old 20.04.2011, 17:51
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There has just been a Radio 4 programme about cycle safety. The number of cycle accidents has gone down.
That was quick. Maybe they should broadcast it every day.
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Old 20.04.2011, 18:07
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That was quick. Maybe they should broadcast it every day.
Whilst drivers are on their commute...
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Well, there's stupid and stupid... Let's see how fast you can stop your car if the cyclist just decides to ride over the crossing without stopping and looking. Common sense doesn't seem so common sometimes...
I typically slow way down when I am approaching a crossing so I can be sure to see anyone who might be about to cross, so this would not be a problem for me. But I could see how this could be a problem for someone who is (to borrow your term) stupidly and carelessly driving way too fast as he/she approaches a crossing.

I feel bad for someone who can only find it in him to be kind to someone else if and to the extent required by some law. To me the OP is saying he will stop for a walker at a crossing not because it's a kind or courteous thing to do, but because he is legally obligated to do so. And he won't stop for a cyclist even though it would be a kind and courteous thing to do because he is not legally obligated to do so. Ah, but he will stop for a cyclist who dismounts, thereby becoming a walker, not because it's kind but because now he has to by law.
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I typically slow way down when I am approaching a crossing so I can be sure to see anyone who might be about to cross, so this would not be a problem for me. But I could see how this could be a problem for someone who is (to borrow your term) stupidly and carelessly driving way too fast as he/she approaches a crossing.

I feel bad for someone who can only find it in him to be kind to someone else if and to the extent required by some law. To me the OP is saying he will stop for a walker at a crossing not because it's a kind or courteous thing to do, but because he is legally obligated to do so. And he won't stop for a cyclist even though it would be a kind and courteous thing to do because he is not legally obligated to do so. Ah, but he will stop for a cyclist who dismounts, thereby becoming a walker, not because it's kind but because now he has to by law.
I don't have a problem with that at all. The law is there to put down a rule to protect (in this case) pedestrians, not teach drivers to be kind.

Incidentally, my driving instructor advised against "slowing way down" before a pedestrian crossing because it can cause problems with cars behind. Instead, he recommended lifting the foot off the accelerator briefly and just covering the brake, being ready to stop but not messing up the traffic flow.
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Absolutely. If you rode a bike you would appreciate that not all cyclists are like the ones you treat with contempt.
My riding a bike would make no difference at all to the fact that lots of cyclists hold pedestrians in contempt.

Nice attempt to turn it around, though. Obviously it's the pedestrians' fault that cyclists break the law.
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Old 20.04.2011, 19:55
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I only hold rollerbladers wearing speedo's in contempt. They are the blight of the earth. Especially when I see them at pedestrian crossings.
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Re: Cyclists on pedestrian crossings

I find it interesting that so many adults are willing to give up their ability to decide for themselves what is both common sense and human for the sake of the law. It's like the crossing the street when the man is red and getting shouted at because 'that's just how it is'

When did we as human beings, adult ones at that, lose the ability to decide for ourselves what is safe? I feel completely confident looking both ways and crossing the street without holding my mothers hand...or the state's. The same applies to a cyclist going through a red light when there is no traffic. OF COURSE there are dickheads as mentioned before but there are stupid pedestrians, stupid car drivers AND stupid cyclists. I as a cyclist find it irritating when a car pulls off a side road with the nose into the cycle lane without looking, pedestrians often walk out into the street (with no cross walk) without looking and I've had several of those crashes and btw cyclists pay the same taxes so why should they constantly be pushed to fringes of the roads and sidewalks we help pay for.

Laws are designed as a guidance for particular situation you shouldn't need the state to baby you in what is right and wrong I'm assuming we all have intact brains that developed over the years why don't we use them!?

Instead of arguing about who's the more lawful person why not act on a human level and go out of our way to make it a little better for the next person. Perhaps look into the studies done on 'less is more' in which less traffic regulation (law) actually equates to less traffic accidents including with cyclists as people are forced to use good judgement instead of relying on a sign or a rule to tell them what to do.
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Old 21.04.2011, 11:21
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When did we as human beings, adult ones at that, lose the ability to decide for ourselves what is safe? I feel completely confident looking both ways and crossing the street without holding my mothers hand...or the state's. The same applies to a cyclist going through a red light when there is no traffic.
I feel confident that I can do that as well.

However, I don't go through red lights on a bike. Would you be happy if car drivers adopted the same attitude and went through red lights when they felt it was safe?

Also, there's enough hatred towards cyclists without adding to that.

Also, it's a terrible attitude to have when you've got your children also on their bikes. Children who's judgement is not as good as yours.

I agree that removing all traffic signalling can make suburban roads a safer place (it wouldn't work on motorways), but the only place we have that in Switzerland, that I know of, is on 30Kph roads where pedestrian crossings are removed and motorists are expected to give way to pedestrians. It doesn't work here.
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Old 21.04.2011, 11:30
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I feel confident that I can do that as well.

However, I don't go through red lights on a bike. Would you be happy if car drivers adopted the same attitude and went through red lights when they felt it was safe?
Ah but you see that would be going against that common sense thing I talked about. There is no one size fits all rule is my point,

oh and i didn't mention anything about children...of course it wouldn't make sense to do that with children. Nothing can replace good judgment and logic.
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Old 21.04.2011, 11:44
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The BBC of course. You and Yours
While I commend you on your choice of radio station, I think, perhaps, that a British program about cycling isn't necessarily applicable to cycling in Switzerland. I'd guess that cycling in the UK is probably more dangerous than here.
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Old 21.04.2011, 12:39
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While I commend you on your choice of radio station, I think, perhaps, that a British program about cycling isn't necessarily applicable to cycling in Switzerland. I'd guess that cycling in the UK is probably more dangerous than here.
Yes and no. The programme was comparing cycling attitudes in the U.K. compared with other European countries where cycling is a bit more respected.

(Switzerland fits this category even if the 'expats' who live here have different attitudes).
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