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that's still mediocre. Best Döner near Zurich: Kuyu Kebab, Kreuzlinger Straße, Konstanz (it's a German dish, after all).
German dish? You've got to be kidding man
The doner is definitely Turkish/Arabic and brought to Germany by the immigrating Turks.
Whereas "Iskender", a different style of doing doner is invented in Bursa in 1867 and that style is patented (I guess) by a restaurant in Bursa, in a small village. I had the opportunity to go there and the taste was fantastic.
A similar taste I've found in Geneva in Turqoise Restaurant, but I've also heard that Bosphorus in London has a very good doner. I'd like to try it hopefully in August in London.
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Old 28.04.2011, 14:04
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Re: Kebabs and Chilli's

Processed, unidentifiable, reconstituted, animal based product, sweating on a rotating spit for weeks at a time. No matter how drunk or late, I would rather just eat a pitta stuffed with chillies thank you!
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Old 28.04.2011, 14:34
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Processed, unidentifiable, reconstituted, animal based product, sweating on a rotating spit for weeks at a time. No matter how drunk or late, I would rather just eat a pitta stuffed with chillies thank you!
I will in part agree with you there, I can not stand the Döner out of pressed mystery meat but I do like the traditional one made from thin slices of lamb or beef or (my favorite) chicken.
Pretty hard to find these days as Döner production has been industrialized and all you get is the cheap stuff.
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Old 28.04.2011, 15:19
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Re: Kebabs and Chilli's

Isn't it the same problem with all fast and cheap products?

I wonder whether you would still object to eating doner if you were in Istanbul and had been tipped by locals where to get a good doner

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Processed, unidentifiable, reconstituted, animal based product, sweating on a rotating spit for weeks at a time. No matter how drunk or late, I would rather just eat a pitta stuffed with chillies thank you!
as a side note, drunks in Turkey usually resort to another meal.. a certain soup, ingredients of which I will not disclose here
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Old 28.04.2011, 15:29
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Re: Kebabs and Chilli's

In some countries that is a legal requirement to make sure the meat is cooked properly. Not sure is they need to do it here though.

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I didn't miss the chilis yet, but putting cocktail sauce on a Döner is really gross. As is the fact that they keep the chopped-off meat warm for hours instead of cutting it off when ordered.
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Old 28.04.2011, 15:35
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Re: Kebabs and Chilli's

there's a great Kebab shop in the corner of the square where Paddy Reilly's in Fribourg is situated. They make great doners, perfect half-time food .
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just get a ticket and go to Bursa, taste the real thing
For the real thing, you would have to go to Kreuzberg.
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Old 28.04.2011, 15:50
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Bosphorus Kebab in South Kensington was the best in London; have not come any similar quality ones in CH yet
Now you have me dreaming of their spicy kofte...thanks for that...perfect after a few pints at the Anglesea...

Last edited by chiguy; 28.04.2011 at 15:52. Reason: dreaming of pints now, too...
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German dish? You've got to be kidding man
The doner is definitely Turkish/Arabic and brought to Germany by the immigrating Turks.
No. Invented by a turk from Berlin, introduced in Turkey due to the demand by German tourists..
http://www.artikelwand.de/essen-und-...ner-kebab.html
http://www.bz-berlin.de/bezirk/charl...cle786222.html
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No. Invented by a turk from Berlin, introduced in Turkey due to the demand by German tourists..
http://www.artikelwand.de/essen-und-...ner-kebab.html
http://www.bz-berlin.de/bezirk/charl...cle786222.html
You really have no clue... It says 18th century in Ottoman books... Not 60 years ago in Germany..
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doner_kebab
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Re: Kebabs and Chilli's

My friend,
Claiming doner to be German is something like Turks claiming the Oktoberfest to be Turkish
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You really have no clue... It says 18th century in Ottoman books... Not 60 years ago in Germany..
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doner_kebab
Quoting from your link: "Doner kebab is now widely available across Europe and North America, mostly in the variant developed in Germany. "

And that's what people here are asking for, too.
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the variant developed in Germany.
So the doner kebab is a Turkish invention, but someone in Germany invented a variation of the original Turkish dish - is that what you're saying?
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In some countries that is a legal requirement to make sure the meat is cooked properly. Not sure is they need to do it here though.
Some places get around that 'cooked properly' requirement by cutting it off, whacking it on the hotplate for a bit to sizzle, then putting it on the bread.
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So the doner kebab is a Turkish invention, but someone in Germany invented a variation of the original Turkish dish - is that what you're saying?
jep. The trick that made it successfull worldwide, i.e. to put the meat in some kind of bread instead of on a plate, and hence the Döner as we all know it, was invented in Germany. And so it's German, in the same way as a Hamburger is American.
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Old 30.04.2011, 22:02
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jep. The trick that made it successfull worldwide, i.e. to put the meat in some kind of bread instead of on a plate, and hence the Döner as we all know it, was invented in Germany. And so it's German, in the same way as a Hamburger is American.
Wasn't it in a north German city, that they first put a beefburger in a bread roll - and subsequently gave this new sandwich a name?
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jep. The trick that made it successfull worldwide, i.e. to put the meat in some kind of bread instead of on a plate, and hence the Döner as we all know it, was invented in Germany. And so it's German, in the same way as a Hamburger is American.
But the Greeks and Albanians also serve their doner kebabs in bread - isn't it more likely that they would have learnt to do that from their Turkish neighbours, rather than some distant Europeans?
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jep. The trick that made it successfull worldwide, i.e. to put the meat in some kind of bread instead of on a plate, and hence the Döner as we all know it, was invented in Germany. And so it's German, in the same way as a Hamburger is American.
Not really. Doner in bread is a common variant.

What the Germans did invent is "mit alles" and "mit scharf"
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Yeah, the doner kebab is Turkish, and Turkish people have been putting meat in flatbread for a while. They probably nicked it off the Arabs originally. Nothing about it comes from Germany, apart from the addition of poor quality mayonnaise and if one had travelled in the region at all, any comment to the contrary would be faintly ridiculous.

Actually, the best kebabs aren't in Istanbul, but rather in deepest Anatolia. The thing that makes them great are the pastes that are available there. You get wonderful sweet pepper pastes, tomato pastes and the number one ingredient in a good kofte or lahmacun is Aleppo pepper (obviously from Syria originally) which is a hot-sweet-smoky pepper made from sun dried chillis.
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poor quality mayonnaise
There's no mayonnaise in a German Döner.
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