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Nah, Americans just over-use the word, like they over-use the word 'hate'.

They're a hysterical bunch (except, of course, for the stoic and solid people of the Midwest )
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Old 23.04.2011, 23:39
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jug would be south, yugo/Jugo is an apocope following a long tradition for it in popular language. Southern would be južnjak.
The contempt in this apocope is hard to deny, it's the way the word is used.
There is a difference between saying Southerner and Yugo, very much so..Besides, people from that region actually have their own nationalities and ethnic group. Not knowing them and lumping them under one racial slurr isn't so cool. Former Yugoslavians would probably be ok, but again, in the context of the story, not even sure. (I know Captain meant it somewhat lovingly..).
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There is a difference between saying Southerner and Yugo, very much so..Besides, people from that region actually have their own nationalities and ethnic group. Not knowing them and lumping them under one racial slurr isn't so cool.
Exactly. This is the "contempt" I was talking about. Or is that the wrong word? (mépris, Verachtung, sdegn.... and as always sorry but no Italian on store).
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Exactly. This is the "contempt" I was talking about. Or is that the wrong word? (mépris, Verachtung, sdegn.... and as always sorry but no Italian on store).
It's the perfect word . Teachers always over explain, don't they.

In terms of OP - I think asking for people to keep quiet is normal if it in any ways really bugs somebody. It really depends on how you ask, though, if one is polite and humble, and says "sorry guys, but I have a splitting headache and your voices echo so loud beacuse how the corridor is built" or something like that, why not. But to police and demand, school inspector style, is plain weird, especially if people who chitchat are actually being somewhat quiet, or in their own home, during daylight.
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Re: too loud ;)

Why are we always the ones who lives next to the swiss who don't respect the rules?

All the swiss in my building are the one that make noise at any time of the day, do parties without notifications, BBQ smokes, etc.

Mind you, I am happy to see them relax, it makes us being relax too. And I enjoy it like that.

But it is funny when we talk with the neighbours to find out those who do respect all the rules are the expats.... until they realise this interesting fact about our easy-going swiss neighbours!
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Re: too loud ;)

Ah, I guess everyone got the "tongue in cheek" joke I made. Very good.

Forgot that I am posting on a Swiss forum.

Hence all humor must be pre-announced and properly explained.

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My former Swiss-Serbian co-worker in SG referred to herself as Yugo Power.

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jug would be south, yugo/Jugo is an apocope following a long tradition for it in popular language. Southern would be južnjak.
The contempt in this apocope is hard to deny, it's the way the word is used.
There needn't be contempt in it. These days it's just way too complicated to cover all the details of what formerly was Yugoslavia and and what recent history had made out of the people. Ok, Dragan is a Serb, his wife, Ivana, is Croatian, her cousin, Jelena, is Slovenian, her husband, Ilija (sp.?) is Serbian.

For us, they are Yugos. THE Yugos. Just a 20 years ago that would have been correct even concerning their passports. They were called Yugos already then, just like Czechoslovaks usually just were called Czechs to simplify things. The latter example was just as wrong, as it just left out one half of the nation. No one complained, not even my Slovakian friends.

Yugo can be used as a collective term, without any contempt. You use it like you use the words Briton or Westschweizer. The word just means someone from what formerly was Yugoslavia, but you probably don't know the ethnic details or don't want to be bothered with them. The word per se is neutral. Contemptive connotations are optional, depending on the cointext. The context, in which I used the word, was neutral or slightly inclined to the positive side.
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Why are we always the ones who lives next to the swiss who don't respect the rules?

All the swiss in my building are the one that make noise at any time of the day, do parties without notifications, BBQ smokes, etc.

Mind you, I am happy to see them relax, it makes us being relax too. And I enjoy it like that.

But it is funny when we talk with the neighbours to find out those who do respect all the rules are the expats.... until they realise this interesting fact about our easy-going swiss neighbours!
Nil, I think that should be normal. When I live in a foreign country, I always try to keep my behavior low key. I prefer being the quiet, kind neighbor than the foreign bully.
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There needn't be contempt in it. (...)
Yugo can be used as a collective term, without any contempt.
Context is everything, that's true. But are you talking about English ? In that case, I believe anything you say, you are the expert and I have no idea about english. Perhaps just a misconception that I thought it was about the German word Jugo, sorry for the mix up.
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There needn't be contempt in it. These days it's just way too complicated to cover all the details of what formerly was Yugoslavia and and what recent history had made out of the people. Ok, Dragan is a Serb, his wife, Ivana, is Croatian, her cousin, Jelena, is Slovenian, her husband, Ilija (sp.?) is Serbian.

For us, they are Yugos. THE Yugos. Just a 20 years ago that would have been correct even concerning their passports. They were called Yugos already then, just like Czechoslovaks usually just were called Czechs to simplify things. The latter example was just as wrong, as it just left out one half of the nation. No one complained, not even my Slovakian friends.

Yugo can be used as a collective term, without any contempt. You use it like you use the words Briton or Westschweizer. The word just means someone from what formerly was Yugoslavia, but you probably don't know the ethnic details or don't want to be bothered with them. The word per se is neutral. Contemptive connotations are optional, depending on the cointext. The context, in which I used the word, was neutral or slightly inclined to the positive side.
It's not really how you meant it, but rather how people can perceive it without having you on hand for lengthy explanation of your intent. Geographical meaning aside.

Just like I wouldn't be happy if people ignorant of my country's history shortened ethnic groups to Czechs while we actually are two ethnic groups, and decided to call me Slovak (sure, I have been called Romanian, Russian, Pole, Ukrainian, by people here since I come from "somewhere there").
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There needn't be contempt in it. These days it's just way too complicated to cover all the details of what formerly was Yugoslavia and and what recent history had made out of the people. Ok, Dragan is a Serb, his wife, Ivana, is Croatian, her cousin, Jelena, is Slovenian, her husband, Ilija (sp.?) is Serbian.

For us, they are Yugos. THE Yugos. Just a 20 years ago that would have been correct even concerning their passports. They were called Yugos already then, just like Czechoslovaks usually just were called Czechs to simplify things. The latter example was just as wrong, as it just left out one half of the nation. No one complained, not even my Slovakian friends.

Yugo can be used as a collective term, without any contempt. You use it like you use the words Briton or Westschweizer. The word just means someone from what formerly was Yugoslavia, but you probably don't know the ethnic details or don't want to be bothered with them. The word per se is neutral. Contemptive connotations are optional, depending on the cointext. The context, in which I used the word, was neutral or slightly inclined to the positive side.
Considering the recent war in former Yugoslavia many of the break away countries (such as Croatia) find the term Yugo offensive, as Croatians do not consider themselves of slavic decent, nor do they wish to be associated with their former co-habitants. This is of course a bit of a generalisation, but just a kind word to indicate the term is not welcome by everyone from that region, regardless of innocent intent.
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For us, they are Yugos.
Jaysus. We know!

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Context is everything, that's true. But are you talking about English ? In that case, I believe anything you say, you are the expert and I have no idea about english. Perhaps just a misconception that I thought it was about the German word Jugo, sorry for the mix up.
You are so not being facetious.
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You are so not being facetious.
Wow, that's advanced English, are you sure I am supposed to understand that sentence structure?

If one speaks about German word Jugo or French word yougo, I have an opinion and some knowledge. I one speaks about the English word Yugo, I just read and learn.

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Re: too loud ;)

Wasn't this thread about someone who complained about someone else's allegedly too loud conversation?

I do not object to derailing threads whose topic has already been exhausted, but in this specific case I'd prefer to get back to the original topic instead of harping on about a single word that got completely taken out of the context.
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Wasn't this thread about someone who complained about someone else's allegedly too loud conversation?

I do not object to derailing threads whose topic has already been exhausted, but in this specific case I'd prefer to get back to the original topic instead of harping on about a single word that got completely taken out of the context.
I am not sure what palatable context you are refering to.

Mod mode, true, back on topic. And let's keep certain terms out of our playground here.
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Hi ,

I had my friend around yesterday. we were chatting and laughing ,it was around 4-5 o`clock in the afternoon,and my hofmeister told us to keep our voices down.
We were not partying or anything like that,just simple,nice chat.
Is it normal?is he aloud to do it?
I supposed I have to get used to Swiss rules very quickly
> never heard about a "Hofmeister" and so suppose that you mean the HAUSWART or HAUSABWART

> there are no "Swiss rules"
> your Hauswart of course can say that you were of a noise level to be regarded as "Ruhestörung"
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tell him ''I no speake englez''
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I think the 'shhh' sign is universal though :-)
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My neighbors will knock on the ceiling if I walk around.lol
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