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I remember to have used, Oct-Dec 1972, a "washing-saloon" near Paddington Station, and those washing places as far as I believe, are still in business.
Nah, near Paddington, those places are all massage parlours now.

I remember an American in a Laundromat in Felixstowe around 1965. He started his front loading machine and then took most of his clothes off, opened the machine door, and added them to his washing machine. He then has the gall to call out the owner and ask her to clean up the water he had spilled. She came down, saw him in his underwear and water on the floor, and well ... the language was very olde worlde English with a Suffolk accent! He retreated to a corner and muttered something about US machines didn't spill water.
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I remember to have used, Oct-Dec72, a "washing-saloon" near Paddington Station, and those washing places as far as I believe, are still in business. I think, these washing places also are part of your "Great British Tradition"

Now, the Brits queue (presumably due to lack of organisation), while the Swiss save space by organising the sharing of washing machines !

Oct '72 Wolli.....wow thats some time ago!!!!! .......

Paddington Station a long way to go to do your dirty washing .. us Brits were pretty advanced then having washing machines that long ago !..... Don't suppose that they arrived in Switzerland to the late '80s .... but i'm sure you will find some article to prove me wrong!
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Nah, near Paddington, those places are all massage parlours now.
Does that mean this could be the fate of the laundry rooms here in the next 39 years ? ...... just shocking .... no doubt there will still be the rota problem occuring!

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Granted Wolli, however, what the majority of this thread has been about is the hassle and problems that people tend to experience whilst sharing their washing facilities here (and we are not only talking about the 'Brits'). In a nutshell, too many of us have been subjected to rudeness, intolerance and the much discussed 'passive aggression' that seems to be rife in the realms of shared laundry facilities, for some strange reason.
I am lucky this kind of behaviour doesn't happen in our laundry room ... as the whole block is full of foreigners and English people.

We don't even have to use rotas.... but to me having to leave my apartment to do washing is primitive.
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Does that mean this could be the fate of the laundry rooms here in the next 39 years ? ...... just shocking .... no doubt there will still be the rotar problem occuring!
I am quite certain that they already do - and they are almost certainly by appointment, which is the equivalent of the good old rota system!
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While I happily accept the "courtesy" argument, I cannot quite see why the sharing of a washing machine is not "such a happy one".
What is happy about constantly having to fight for ones rights to the laundry in a language one may not understand? (Not necessarily one of the 'Swiss languages' either!) It is simply not a happy situation to go down to the laundry and find someone else overstepping the mark time and time again. How would the drivers among us enjoy paying for a parking place which, might, or might not, be free when they come home from work? Asking, begging, pleading with their neighbour NOT to park in their designated garage space.

In many places the number of machines and amount of drying area is quite unrealistic for families with children. And it only takes one person to have a 'different sense of timing' to mess the whole laundry arrangement up. Here, one lady used to leave her stuff in the machine longer than necessary. She washed at the very end of her two days, so that her washing was never dry when she should have taken it out. And by the time it WAS dry, she had forgotten all about it - and still it hung there.

After trying every normal, nice method, (leaving it and squashing my washing together, putting hers neatly onto a 'nappy airer', removing hers (dry) and putting it back over the line afterwards) I gave up. So, once, I put her damp washing, one piece over another, into one place on the line, used the rest of the area myself and left her washing, still damp, in the pile hanging over the line when I had finished. That she didn't like it is the understatement of the year. I asked what she thought I SHOULD have done with it. I wouldn't say it solved the problem completely but it certainly make her a lot more careful.

I've had my own machine now for quite a few years as do most of the other people in this building, though most of us use the communal one too. We have our 'theoretical' official day, but constantly swap around after checking with the others. This works fine at the moment but it only takes one person...
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We don't even have to use rotas.... but to me having to leave my apartment to do washing is primitive.
Move to an apartment with built in washing machines?

We bought our own machine which fits in the bathroom. We had to get it because the laundry facility in the basement is left as a complete sh*thole which wasn't great when we had a newborn with a mountain of washing.

Our building is mainly expats but, in some ways that's worse. At least the Swiss are used to the system and go some way to keeping things clean.

Discovering a pair of whiffy trainers in the tumble-dryer when you want to dry baby stuff is a bit off putting.
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Granted Wolli, however, what the majority of this thread has been about is the hassle and problems that people tend to experience whilst sharing their washing facilities here (and we are not only talking about the 'Brits'). In a nutshell, too many of us have been subjected to rudeness, intolerance and the much discussed 'passive aggression' that seems to be rife in the realms of shared laundry facilities, for some strange reason.

I still find the reports about "rudeness" etc heavily exxaggerated, as most people get along nicely well.
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I think getting a flat in Zurich is hard enough to acheive even with a relocation agent let alone finding those 2 flats that may have there own washing machines here .

My relocation agent looked at me as if I was crazy when I said that was 1 of my priorities.............. anybody would have thought I was asking for a gold plated loo ! Infact at this price the whole bathroom and kitchen should be gold plated, its about 20years old though! I was told I was lucky to be accepted for the flat as I was a foreigner!


What a nice lady .... and my company paid for this polite service from her.
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Oct '72 Wolli.....wow thats some time ago!!!!! .......

Paddington Station a long way to go to do your dirty washing .. us Brits were pretty advanced then having washing machines that long ago !..... Don't suppose that they arrived in Switzerland to the late '80s .... but i'm sure you will find some article to prove me wrong!
Paddington Station was right round the corner from my lodgings then
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Old 27.04.2011, 23:15
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To Wolli's previous post: Well, I think that you have been fortunate. Judging from many of the posts here your experience is the exception rather than the rule.
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What is happy about constantly having to fight for ones rights to the laundry in a language one may not understand? (Not necessarily one of the 'Swiss languages' either!) It is simply not a happy situation to go down to the laundry and find someone else overstepping the mark time and time again. How would the drivers among us enjoy paying for a parking place which, might, or might not, be free when they come home from work? Asking, begging, pleading with their neighbour NOT to park in their designated garage space.

In many places the number of machines and amount of drying area is quite unrealistic for families with children. And it only takes one person to have a 'different sense of timing' to mess the whole laundry arrangement up. Here, one lady used to leave her stuff in the machine longer than necessary. She washed at the very end of her two days, so that her washing was never dry when she should have taken it out. And by the time it WAS dry, she had forgotten all about it - and still it hung there.

After trying every normal, nice method, (leaving it and squashing my washing together, putting hers neatly onto a 'nappy airer', removing hers (dry) and putting it back over the line afterwards) I gave up. So, once, I put her damp washing, one piece over another, into one place on the line, used the rest of the area myself and left her washing, still damp, in the pile hanging over the line when I had finished. That she didn't like it is the understatement of the year. I asked what she thought I SHOULD have done with it. I wouldn't say it solved the problem completely but it certainly make her a lot more careful.

I've had my own machine now for quite a few years as do most of the other people in this building, though most of us use the communal one too. We have our 'theoretical' official day, but constantly swap around after checking with the others. This works fine at the moment but it only takes one person...
I did NOT say it IS happy, I outlined my doubts about it being so much "not happy" which means UNHAPPY.

And I do NOT have to "fight" with anybody just to use the machine. Neither did Mum, who used the same communal place between 1946 and 2007. There may be minor "misunderstandings" but no reason for panic
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Old 27.04.2011, 23:20
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I still find the reports about "rudeness" etc heavily exxaggerated, as most people get along nicely well.
Wolli, your argument made me chuckle...if stuff works out for you, great. Apparently, it is not so for many here. You haven't hang/washed laundry in all these places people mention, so it would be difficult to say, overall, it is a system that works really well. I think it might be difficult in a place where pride/willingness to compromise without a cop supervising and without will to behave decently eventhough nobody is looking. All these rule sticklers and then one cannot agree on a simple list of laundry days? Fussy. We solved it by living in a chaotic place full of furiners (and have our own washer, eeew, can't imagine baby's terry cloth right after someone's manky moldy sport gear).
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I did NOT say it IS happy, I outlined my doubts about it being so much "not happy" which means UNHAPPY.
Oh dear ... you have lost me ... can we just agree that it is not happy?
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Move to an apartment with built in washing machines?

We bought our own machine which fits in the bathroom. We had to get it because the laundry facility in the basement is left as a complete sh*thole which wasn't great when we had a newborn with a mountain of washing.

Our building is mainly expats but, in some ways that's worse. At least the Swiss are used to the system and go some way to keeping things clean.

Discovering a pair of whiffy trainers in the tumble-dryer when you want to dry baby stuff is a bit off putting.
Most apartments in Switzerland do NOT have built-in washing machines
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It's quite amazing what people in one of the richest countries in the world have to put up with. I think we need to worn people how tough life is on 120K a year!

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I think getting a flat in Zurich is hard enough to acheive even with a relocation agent let alone finding those 2 flats that may have there own washing machines here .

My relocation agent looked at me as if I was crazy when I said that was 1 of my priorities.............. anybody would have thought I was asking for a gold plated loo ! Infact at this price the whole bathroom and kitchen should be gold plated, its about 20years old though! I was told I was lucky to be accepted for the flat as I was a foreigner!


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Most apartments in Switzerland do NOT have built-in washing machines
Yes, we know that ... that is what this this thread is all about.
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Wolli, your argument made me chuckle...if stuff works out for you, great. Apparently, it is not so for many here. You haven't hang/washed laundry in all these places people mention, so it would be difficult to say, overall, it is a system that works really well. I think it might be difficult in a place where pride/willingness to compromise without a cop supervising and without will to behave decently eventhough nobody is looking. All these rule sticklers and then one cannot agree on a simple list of laundry days? Fussy. We solved it by living in a chaotic place full of furiners (and have our own washer, eeew, can't imagine baby's terry cloth right after someone's manky moldy sport gear).
I admit that I do not have the habit to talk about laundry and washing machines with friends, and so cannot answer the indirect question you ask. However, what I over the years DID hear from people all over the place is that most people get along quite well. And no, no cop is needed generally to supervise, as lots of Swiss are ad-hoc-Cops themselves Live here however IS based on the willingness for compromise and decent behaviour. And most people in Switzerland DO agree on a list for laundry times.

And the fuss about "foreigners" ? In this building, there are 22 apartments, and in five of them are CH-citizens (partially CH origin) while the rest are Armenians, Russians, Portuguese, Black-Africans, Kosovari, Indians. But people come to arrangements. In the place where I lived up to 2002, there were mostly Swiss, with Italian and Spanish and Portuguese immigrants in between, but also got along.

And what about yourself ? I mean, YOU yourself always can contribute to the main. Do not ask what others can do for you, but check what you can do for the community !
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How so?

Actually, very advanced.

Why should everyone spend the money to buy their own washers?

Reality is that I own my own washer/drier, but is was cheaper and quicker when I used the laundry room!

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being the sad geek i was, i did calculate this for my washing machine down to putting an electricity meter on the thing.

per use, my washing machine was much more cost effective due to electricity prices being dirt cheap.

however, when you factor in the cost of the machine and the time-value of money, it took around 3 years to break even vs the laundrette which was 2 doors down the road from me.

if you had children, then it would probably be more worthwhile.

however, the convenience is on both sides. a few times, we would use the laundrette anyway. after all, you could stick 2 loads in 2 machines (due to size this was the equivalent of 4 loads in a domestic washer) and the dryers were far more effective than our crappy washer-dryer affair and again, you could stick the loads into 4 different dryers and get them done super-quick.
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