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wow, you are so tough
Well not really. A couple of days ago, I started a thread complaining about the color schemes of Swiss housing. My masculinity was called into question immediately.

Actually, it is questionable whether I would have beaten the train conductor. Who knows? Generally, if it comes to my child being separated from me, things will get extreme.....pretty sure about that. Are you a father?
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9 years old.....Then I stand by my initial reaction.
You would stand by your initial reaction even if that would not help at all to solve the problem. You really should think about priorities and secondarys.
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You would stand by your initial reaction even if that would not help at all to solve the problem. You really should think about priorities and secondarys.
Am I missing something here? I am sure that Rolando stated that if his child were at risk, then everything else would be secondary.
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Old 28.04.2011, 00:24
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Am I missing something here? I am sure that Rolando stated that if his child were at risk, then everything else would be secondary.
Beating up an employee of the SBB as the train pulls out isn't gonna help anyone, especially his child, who is not in any immediate or grave danger. Simply unaccompanied on a train - in itself a safe environment as a child could not get off a moving train.

Coming back to the solution, they have things called radios now, whereby people in stations can talk to people on trains... technology, eh, don't you love it?

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Beating up an employee of the SBB as the train pulls out isn't gonna help anyone, especially his child, who is not in any immediate or grave danger. Simply unaccompanied on a train - in itself a safe environment as a child could not get off a moving train.

Coming back to the solution, they have things called radios now, whereby people in stations can talk to people on trains... technology, eh, don't you love it?

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Well yes, quite possibly, but he has already stated that his beating up of an SBB official was questionable, ie, a knee jerk reaction on paper (forum). And, any parent would feel immense fear when separated from their child and, let's face it, a lone child on a train (regardless of radios) is not guaranteed safety.
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Re: are the swiss a bit too keen on the rules?

I think my "beating" comment turned into a bit of distraction within this very good thread.

Basically, I want to so my support for the original poster. She is right to be upset. When is comes to your own children, it is ok to be protective, irrational and demanding.

Many of you who are not parents may not understand....which is understandable.....I am going to bed now.....Cheers.
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Well yes, quite possibly, but he has already stated that his beating up of an SBB official was questionable, ie, a knee jerk reaction on paper (forum). And, any parent would feel immense fear when separated from their child and, let's face it, a lone child on a train (regardless of radios) is not guaranteed safety.
I'll agreed with you up to a point - specifically the fear. However, I didn't see any questioning on Rolando's part vis-a-vis beating up an official, rather confirmation that he was serious and that he stands by his reaction.

Be that as it may, when we lost our oldest, 5 at the time, our immediate reaction was not to go round beating people up... Rather we poured all our efforts into finding him. Which we did about 10 minutes later (although it felt like longer at the time).
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Actually, it is questionable whether I would have beaten the train conductor.
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I'll agreed with you up to a point - specifically the fear. However, I didn't see any questioning on Rolando's part vis-a-vis beating up an official, rather confirmation that he was serious and that he stands by his reaction.
Just for the record. However, I appreciate your understanding of the total panic involved when a child is missing.
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Old 28.04.2011, 00:45
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Re: are the swiss a bit too keen on the rules?

So the 9 year old is on the train alone, heading towards Italy. At what point did the conductor throw her off the train, and how did mother find her again? Did the SBB start a special "Found a child" sequence, or was it luck that you met up 30 minutes later?
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Old 28.04.2011, 00:59
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Re: are the swiss a bit too keen on the rules?

Glad to hear that all ended well in the end but it must have been an awful few minutes until you were reunited.

I drilled in to my son from an early age that if we were EVER separated in such a way then he should get off at the next stop and wait for me to get there. If you are on a tram ride then you are then only a few minutes apart.

To say that the Swiss are keen on the rules is putting it mildly, unless of course they are the ones breaking the rules, then it will be somebody else's fault causing them to be in the wrong (probably a foreigner). They will regularly use the rule book to justify all manner of abusive behaviour, it's almost like they have muscles when they do it and it makes them feel great.
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9 years old isn't exactly an age where a sensible child cannot cope with such situations... .
The child in fact apparently coped with the mishap quite well ! Still, the one who hindered the man from boarding the train last minute was too stubborn.
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Well not really. A couple of days ago, I started a thread complaining about the color schemes of Swiss housing. My masculinity was called into question immediately.

Actually, it is questionable whether I would have beaten the train conductor. Who knows? Generally, if it comes to my child being separated from me, things will get extreme.....pretty sure about that. Are you a father?
I did not see this questioning you masculinity, was however a bit irritated that some regard Swiss housing as too colourful and others as too colourless. What I however can see is the heavy difference between age 3 and age 9 . Both of course are children, but the difference in reality is more than between somebody of 22 and somebody of 72 years ! That stubborn git might have reacted far differently in case of a 3 year old.

In 6 years time, you will not be much older than now, but your child will have moved into school age and will have moved ahead really considerably.
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Old 28.04.2011, 07:08
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I suggest you write in English, send it to me and I'll translate it. I kind of like writing complaints.
For the record, I think you van write to the SBB in English. Someone, a while ago, posted a thread about a complaint to the SBB handled in English.

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Re: are the swiss a bit too keen on the rules?

Shouldn't this future train wreck be called 'are train inspectors too keen on rules?' I would also suggest 'how can I stop my behaviour inconveniencing dozens of other people?'. If your kid can't handle trains at nine (excluding someone with special needs), something is going seriously the wrong way. But then my parents let me pack my own luggage and travel to the airport alone at that age, helicopter parents they were not...
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Although I ran to the door when I saw what had happened and shouted in (very bad) German, the train supervisor (or whatever ) would not let me on. His train could not wait 20 seconds and I was just too late.
I would just like to understand: was the door stil open and the supervisor was standing in the door opening between you and your child or was the door closed and he would not (could not?) open it for you?
Just checking.
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To say that the Swiss are keen on the rules is putting it mildly, unless of course they are the ones breaking the rules.....
Well if we're on the title of the thread rather than the opening post I would tend to disagree with that statement. Certainly the Swiss have lots of rules but they do pick and choose which ones they actually follow (speed limits for example) and are often happy to bend or short-cut rules when desired. Of course the rules one person finds important and follows are not always the same as the next person....

In truth I find the French and Americans to be much worse for petty rule enforcement than the Swiss. Maybe they have less rules to start with but they can get very anal about following and enforcing the ones they do have. Try Zürich airport security compared to any major US airport for example.

Of course you can find individuals who hide behind their rules anywhere in the world.
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Re: are the swiss a bit too keen on the rules?

That is a true word, sounds horrific but maybe it was more traumatic to the OP than for the child.
Take a few deeeeeeep breaths, maybe the conductor really did not comprehend that you were together.
They do tend to take the timetable seriously though.
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Re: are the swiss a bit too keen on the rules?

In my experience it depends on the train driver you get.

Yesterday I arrived at the platform, huffing and puffing with 12kg daughter in my back pack, after running (admitedly) slightly behind schedule. (Damn circus is in town taking up the parking spaces at the station! ) However I DID arrive in time to push the button five times while the train was still stationary. Other doors were still open further down the line, but this one was closed and the little step had been retracted. No chance. The train pulled away .

Today I made it on the train and at the next stop as we pulled up, there was a teenager running on the other side of the platform heading for the over-bridge. The train driver was clearly going to have to wait for her... and he did .

As far as being separated from my child is concerned, I would go nuts, too. I'd probably race to the SBB office at the station and ask them to contact the train driver, and all the stations down to the end of the line, in case she decided to get off at one of them.

As MikeyB says, I plan to educate our little ones as soon as possible about scenarios like that. But as I see it, prevention is the best cure... if your kid pays attention and does as s/he's told

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Re: are the swiss a bit too keen on the rules?

Are the Swiss too keen on the rules? Well that isn't the right question as that is a generalisation and you are talking about a specific event.

You were trying to board an international IC train and in general once the doors are closed, the train will go. Perhaps the train guardian didn't understand your German. Perhaps had he seen a child shouting and pounding at the door, he would have stopped the train. If he didn't see your child, it is likely that he thought you were simply a passenger trying to get on at the last moment. He sees this all the time and he would not have been merciful.

It was an unfortunate event. The lesson learned is to give yourself enough time in advance in order to handle extra luggage and the kids in order to catch an international train. Trains do have to leave on time and it isn't just Swiss trains. For example, there is no leeway in being on time for the German ICE and the Japanese Shinkansen.
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Re: are the swiss a bit too keen on the rules?

Wait a minute: can a train supervisor stop a train when the doors are closed? The OP assumes that the supervisor (that's the word used in her post) has this power... can someone advise on that, please?

If the man was standing in the open door preventing people to get in or out of a train, then we have a different situation. But was that really the case?

The OP message is extreemly unclear about the facts and expresses exclusively strong emotions that are understandable as a parent. HOWEVER, we have no idea whether the OP is right to blame the train person.
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