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So I came home from work yesterday and I heard my dog barking from down the street, which was unusual. When I get into the flat, I find he has completely shit himself (possibly a reaction to the change in food or to the vaccination he had the day before). Well, no wonder he was barking!!!

So I put him in the tub and clean him off, get him downstairs to go to the bathroom properly, come back and clean his kennel.

Well, today, I get a complaint notice that the dogs are barking ALL day, and that I have to do something about it. Not only was I notified that there was a problem, but I was told my contract would be terminated if it happened again.

I am really miffed. I have been very diligent not to make any unnecessary noise or leave any messes, and I always clean up after my dogs right away. But people make all kinds of noise around here. Doors slamming, full volume conversation in the stairwell late at night, TVs turned up loud... last night there was a party going on at 2:00 in the morning taking place in the building across from me, children playing on the street at 7:00am this past Sunday morning, too. Did I complain? Not one bit. Noise happens.

But one day my dog falls ill, sits in his own shit and barks a bit because he's unhappy, and I get a complaint??? I hope my anonymous neighbor knows that I also have the landlord's phone number. If this is how they want to be, I can start complaining, too. Fortunately for them, I'm a bigger person than to do that. However I am tempted to pee standing up and to flush the toilet after 10:00pm. Maybe I'll vacuum on Sunday, too.

But I am more angry with the landlord -- and yes I mean angry. Why would a landlord entertain a complaint for a one-time incident without there even being evidence of it (just an accusation)? Why would they threaten to terminate the contract without even finding out WHY it happened? It really seems unfair to me and I am wondering if it isn't just flat out discrimination.
DO WRITE them. Two points
A) explain why it happens
B) mention that you have been tolerant in regard to A, B, C, D, E, F but
might have to consider your tolerant attitude
C) mention that in case of doubt you had to hand over the matter to your family lawyer (whether this chap does exist or not is irrelevant )
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I am only in this apartment temporarily, and the complaint came to me from my relocation coordinator, who was telephoned by the landlord. No formal written notice. Further since I am only here temporarily, I am thus not inclined to try making any kiss-ass maneuvers with the other residents. I am probably being too stubborn, and I trust my fellow EFers will tell me if I am.
The person you should trust here is your relocation agent. This is the person who I assume placed you in that apartment knowing your situation, and since the complaint was sent to them, let them write the letter and explain the situation. That is what they are there for, dealing with problems. How long is temporary meant to be? Perhaps your relocation agent should work harder to find you more appropriate housing.

My concern is how many hours the dog is left alone without someone coming in to check on them. How many hours are you gone? Obviously your dog cannot go outside while you are out. Of course, you can be out for just 20 minutes and a dog can be ill, I have come home and had to clean up after a dog has been sick (vomit). But if you are gone for more than 6 hours, someone might contact the Tierschutz.

Is your dog in a cage when you are out? If not, why was he covered in poo? My experience with dog diarrhea is usually the floor is covered, (in particular mat near the door) but not the dog.

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So I put him in the tub and clean him off, get him downstairs to go to the bathroom properly, come back and clean his kennel.
For how many hours is your dog locked in a kennel? How big is it?
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So I put him in the tub and clean him off, get him downstairs to go to the bathroom properly, come back and clean his kennel.
Are you saying that your dog was in the kennel all the time while you were out?

If yes, how long were you out for?
If it was for any substantial length of time you may expect more than a visit from the neighbours. People have become very sensitive to animal rights over the past few years and an unhappy neighbour might be more than happy to phone the animal protection society to report their suspicion that you are neglecting your dog. The landlord may then be the least of your worries...
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Just an update. This morning I took my dogs out on a walk. What I intended to be a 15 minute walk turned into an hour. Why? Because we found a park of sorts situated between two schools, and there was a gaggle of hounds there frolicking and playing. (If anyone wants to know where this is, it's off of Tram 6 just before you enter Allschwil).

So this nice Airdale and my younger dog took a liking to each other became instant best friends. My older dog was just content to sniff and bark at the other dogs playing.

What does this have to do with the complaint? Well... 2 things. Now I have found a place for my dogs to get some quality exercise and socialize (and for me to socialize), but also, when I came home, my angry neighbor who complained confronted me at the front door.

He told me, using some italian hand gestures, that my dogs are barking "all the time", to which I said, "When is this happening, because I'm home in the evenings and on weekends most of the time". To which he replied, "Oh, I don't know, maybe 4 or 5 days ago."

"Well," I asked, "was it 4 or was it 5?" and then I proceeded to explain to him the situation with the old dog, and how the problem has now passed. I apologized for any disturbance, and asked him to let me know if there are any other problems. (Thank you EFers for the advice!)

Angry neighbor accepted my apology and I now have a sense that it is all smoothed over... at least for now. So, I can take this lovely lesson with me and hopefully things will be better when I move into my permanent apartment.
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Re: Switzerlanded with a noise complaint

Brilliant - did you ask him in for a beer though?
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Re: Switzerlanded with a noise complaint

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My schnauzer got a "viscious dog" complaint from one neighbor who thought that if a dog approached him or tried to jump on him that it was an attack.
I'm afraid as a dog owner this is one thing you HAVE to control. Pretty well anyone with kids and a goodly proportion of the rest of the non-dog owning population do not like it when jumped at by a larger dog and will react accordingly.
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Old 18.05.2011, 11:03
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So I came home from work yesterday and I heard my dog barking from down the street, which was unusual. When I get into the flat, I find he has completely shit himself (possibly a reaction to the change in food or to the vaccination he had the day before). Well, no wonder he was barking!!!

So I put him in the tub and clean him off, get him downstairs to go to the bathroom properly, come back and clean his kennel.

Well, today, I get a complaint notice that the dogs are barking ALL day, and that I have to do something about it. Not only was I notified that there was a problem, but I was told my contract would be terminated if it happened again.

I am really miffed. I have been very diligent not to make any unnecessary noise or leave any messes, and I always clean up after my dogs right away. But people make all kinds of noise around here. Doors slamming, full volume conversation in the stairwell late at night, TVs turned up loud... last night there was a party going on at 2:00 in the morning taking place in the building across from me, children playing on the street at 7:00am this past Sunday morning, too. Did I complain? Not one bit. Noise happens.

But one day my dog falls ill, sits in his own shit and barks a bit because he's unhappy, and I get a complaint??? I hope my anonymous neighbor knows that I also have the landlord's phone number. If this is how they want to be, I can start complaining, too. Fortunately for them, I'm a bigger person than to do that. However I am tempted to pee standing up and to flush the toilet after 10:00pm. Maybe I'll vacuum on Sunday, too.

But I am more angry with the landlord -- and yes I mean angry. Why would a landlord entertain a complaint for a one-time incident without there even being evidence of it (just an accusation)? Why would they threaten to terminate the contract without even finding out WHY it happened? It really seems unfair to me and I am wondering if it isn't just flat out discrimination.
You need a bigger dog. A rottweiler for example. Preferably several. And take them with you when discussing "differences of opinion" with neighbours.
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Old 18.05.2011, 11:21
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We had an issue with our neighbor who said our dog was barking all day every day from 7 am until 11 pm. Were not even up at 7 am, she was just causing trouble. I ended up speaking with the landlord and said "what kind of notice will we get if you evict us" because I didn't know how bad it was going to get. She told me that they didn't have any legal right to evict us, the most they can do is tell us the dog can't be alone during the day.

But seems your situation might have diffused. If you think you're going to be there long term and things kick off again, I would find out from the Mietv what the landlord can and can't do.
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Re: Switzerlanded with a noise complaint

Dogssss.......swiss people give you a drity look if your months old baby cries(hungry or ill...noone cares) in tram or publi place.
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Dogssss.......swiss people give you a drity look if your months old baby cries(hungry or ill...noone cares) in tram or publi place.
Thats not a "dirty look". Thats more a asking look, wanting to say: "Didnt she learn how to propperly shake a baby?"
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I'm afraid as a dog owner this is one thing you HAVE to control. Pretty well anyone with kids and a goodly proportion of the rest of the non-dog owning population do not like it when jumped at by a larger dog and will react accordingly.

As a dog owner I do not like it when another dog jumps on me. I have had my face scratched when a large dog jumped on me (I am not very tall) and almost had my glasses broken more than once. Owners need to be in control and a dog needs to be trained. Obviously the bigger the dog the more dangerous it is but even a small dog can knock a child over.
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Re: Switzerlanded with a noise complaint

I think the issue is that I hardly find dogs in Switzerland barking...In the US, i hear them bark all the time..
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Dogssss.......swiss people give you a drity look if your months old baby cries(hungry or ill...noone cares) in tram or publi place.
Didn't you know ? Many people here were born age 22

and others cannot recall anything before age 66
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I think the issue is that I hardly find dogs in Switzerland barking...In the US, i hear them bark all the time..
They are "Swiss dogs" trained already after birth to abstain from things like "Ruhe-Störung"
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I think a lot of the time people don't pick dogs suitable for them. They are more worried about the colour, breed etc. So a dog, like a collie ( who needs a huge amount of exercise) for example, is taken to a city and locked in a flat all day, whilst the stressed and busy owner have to deal with the demands of work. Dog gets bored and lonely and barks and barks and barks till owner gets back. Even then the dog may sit on a balcony and bark at every fly that goes by.

I am a dog owner but I have a dog that simply doesn't bark, a greyhound, he has the occasional 'oooof' at next doors dog but that's it. I also live in a house with a garden and near plenty of country side for some good walks. If I were to move to a flat, I think it would be fairer to re home him.

Someone did say that cats don't make any noise, although they poo everywhere they leave the owners alone......I have heard loads of cat fights at night, screeching and hissing at each other over the territory issue.
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I think a lot of the time people don't pick dogs suitable for them. They are more worried about the colour, breed etc. So a dog, like a collie ( who needs a huge amount of exercise) for example, is taken to a city and locked in a flat all day, whilst the stressed and busy owner have to deal with the demands of work. Dog gets bored and lonely and barks and barks and barks till owner gets back. Even then the dog may sit on a balcony and bark at every fly that goes by.

I am a dog owner but I have a dog that simply doesn't bark, a greyhound, he has the occasional 'oooof' at next doors dog but that's it. I also live in a house with a garden and near plenty of country side for some good walks. If I were to move to a flat, I think it would be fairer to re home him.

Someone did say that cats don't make any noise, although they poo everywhere they leave the owners alone......I have heard loads of cat fights at night, screeching and hissing at each other over the territory issue.

If you moved to a flat you should avoid to "re-home" him, as you can re-home a cat as cats simply appreciate the "infrastructure", but a dog is fully oriented towards his "partner / pack-leader". In such a case you have to carefully check up the surrounding area. You might even find it possible to take him with you to your working place (many people do) or find a person in the apartments-block who would love to take him for a walk during the day.
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Angry neighbor accepted my apology and I now have a sense that it is all smoothed over... at least for now. ...
And now you know who he is and where he lives, you can plan your sweet revenge - to be enacted when he's lulled into a false sense of security. Bwahahahaha.
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If you moved to a flat you should avoid to "re-home" him, as you can re-home a cat as cats simply appreciate the "infrastructure", but a dog is fully oriented towards his "partner / pack-leader". In such a case you have to carefully check up the surrounding area. You might even find it possible to take him with you to your working place (many people do) or find a person in the apartments-block who would love to take him for a walk during the day.
I don't live in a flat and make every effort not too.....but if my circumstances were to change, I think it would be fairer to re home him, than to leave him home all day alone locked up......He's a rescue dog and when I got him I was interviewed and asked if I went out for more than 4 hours at a time (that's the maximum they recommend being left). Dog's are obviously pack animals so that's why they get highly stressed at being alone.
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Re: Switzerlanded with a noise complaint

I just don't think that it is fair to leave a dog alone for extended lengths of time (ie, all day). I personally think the maximum time spent alone should be two to three hours, as after that they can suffer severely from separation anxiety.

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