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Re: Switzerlanded with a noise complaint

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I just don't think that it is fair to leave a dog alone for extended lengths of time (ie, all day). I personally think the maximum time spent alone should be two to three hours, as after that they can suffer severe from separation anxiety.
Any more than that and you could have the Tierschutz breathing down your neck....
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Old 21.05.2011, 14:15
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Any more than that and you could have the Tierschutz breathing down your neck....
Apparently not ...
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Old 21.05.2011, 14:29
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Apparently not ...
Not today, not tomorrow maybe, but the day after? Who knows? The fact is that people are becoming more and more aware of these issues. A recent newspaper article in the Aargauer Zeitung reported that there were more and more people calling in to the authorities to report alleged cases of animal neglect. Most of these were not because of any interest in the animal's welfare but were more directed at getting one over on the neighbour in question. The fact is that if you provoke your neighbours or are inconsiderate you may well end up with the Tierschutz on your case. And maybe the first time things are fine, but if there are repeated calls?

It is just not worth the aggravation. Pet owners (and I am one) need to look for accommodation where there pets can be themselves without impinging on the neighbours' rights to their peace and quiet.
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Old 21.05.2011, 16:56
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Re: Switzerlanded with a noise complaint

I personally don't understand why this thread was resurrected today just to be judgmental, especially since it is apparent that some people did not READ everything before they decided to chime in.

I started my response by addressing each and every inaccuracy and mis-judgement. However, it became apparent to me that some of my fellow EFers just like to put others down to make themselves feel better. So I will not be addressing each individual. I will simply say that:

1. There is nothing in the Tierschutzgesetz that I could find that defines what constitutes neglect in Switzerland. Therefore, I would appreciate it if certain EFers would refrain from inserting their opinions into law and insinuating that their opinions are therefore fact.
2. EFers need to READ before they post replies and start passing judgement on others. One person quoted and BOLDed one of my statements and still failed to comprehend a key verb as they proceeded to scold.
3. If you are going to direct another EFer to a consumer resource, then post a helpful link or name and address of said resource, especially if you purport that it is one that you are using.
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There is nothing in the Tierschutzgesetz that I could find that defines what constitutes neglect in Switzerland. Therefore, I would appreciate it if certain EFers would refrain from inserting their opinions into law and insinuating that their opinions are therefore fact.
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A) "Neglect" has not to be specified in the Tierschutzgesetz as it already is defined in the ZGB
B) the Tierschutz hundreds of times per year successfully intervenes in cases of neglect or cruelty, which shows that they find enough legal basis for their actions
C) you have to realize that quite many laws and regulations are not Federal but Cantonal, and many defacto-laws are not based on laws but on cases of precedence

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I personally don't understand why this thread was resurrected today just to be judgmental, especially since it is apparent that some people did not READ everything before they decided to chime in.

I started my response by addressing each and every inaccuracy and mis-judgement. However, it became apparent to me that some of my fellow EFers just like to put others down to make themselves feel better. So I will not be addressing each individual. I will simply say that:

1. There is nothing in the Tierschutzgesetz that I could find that defines what constitutes neglect in Switzerland. Therefore, I would appreciate it if certain EFers would refrain from inserting their opinions into law and insinuating that their opinions are therefore fact.
2. EFers need to READ before they post replies and start passing judgement on others. One person quoted and BOLDed one of my statements and still failed to comprehend a key verb as they proceeded to scold.
3. If you are going to direct another EFer to a consumer resource, then post a helpful link or name and address of said resource, especially if you purport that it is one that you are using.
If you are referring to my post then you misinterpreted me. I am not being judgemental, merely telling you the way it is. You can like it or lump it. You're the new kid on the block. You will be doing yourself an immense favour if you take the attitude of listen and learn, rather than "I've been here 5 minutes, I know all there is to know and they can't touch me." There are enough threads on the forum by people who didn't get with the programme, get themselves into a position somewhere between a rock and a hard spot, plead ignorance and want to know how to fix the problem. The fix is: do all you can to make sure you don't end up in that place in the first place.

You are in temporary accommodation. I get it. When you find somewhere permanent your new landlord will want to know where you have been living. May want to have a reference from your landlord. If you don't provide one the new landlord may become suspicious. If you do, the old landlord may say that he/she had complaints about the dog. Maybe....maybe not. With the well documented difficulties in finding places to live I would think you would want to make sure you hold as many aces as you can.

But hey, what do I know, I've only lived here some 40 years....

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Link to the Tierschutzverein Sirnach. In it you will find a passage which says that dogs can be left alone for 5 hours.
http://www.tsv-sirnach.ch/haupt/info...dehaltung.html

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I personally don't understand why this thread was resurrected today just to be judgmental, especially since it is apparent that some people did not READ everything before they decided to chime in.

I read quite clearly that your dog is locked in a kennel all day and that is why he was covered in poo. And that is considered cruelty. There are laws concerning the size of the kennel, if one is used and what else the animal must have available and that includes water and a place to defecate and that does not mean where the dog has to sit in it all day while you are at work.
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Re: Switzerlanded with a noise complaint

Snoopy, thank you.

By the way, for those who take pleasure in finding a way to spin and twist my words:

I have been raising and showing dogs since 1977. I imagine that is not only LONGER than your experience, but likely also more involved. Both of my dogs come from reputable breeders. They both have Champion parents, and both are registered with their kennel clubs. Both have been to obedience training, but other than that, they get a pretty easy life. They are very important to me. If they were not, then I would not have jumped the hoops to bring them here efficiently and safely.

Just because YOU may not agree with kenneling vs. not kenneling does not give you the right to apply your opinion as a requirement for me to adhere to. Nor does it give you license to assume the conditions in which they are kenneled. I happen to think that leaving a dog out in a yard all day, or never letting it in the house to be a part of the family is cruel. You may disagree, but it doesn't give me the right to tell you how to take care of your dog.

Further, you make too many assumptions. This is EF. Who among us spells out every stinking detail going back to the big bang, just so small minded dimwits will get the full picture? But nevertheless, shame on me for not doing so, to prevent you from having room to make up false facts.

If what I wrote here pisses you off a little because you see your reflection in it, then go ahead, take away more of my points and give me more little red dots under my name. I really don't care, just as long as it makes you feel more vindicated and superior.

Hell. Just ban me. That seems to be the trend when there are disagreements between the "in crowd" and the "others".
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Old 22.05.2011, 00:31
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By the way, for those who take pleasure in finding a way to spin and twist my words:
So these are the words I supposedly twisted?

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But one day my dog falls ill, sits in his own shit and barks a bit because he's unhappy, and I get a complaint???
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Hell. Just ban me. That seems to be the trend when there are disagreements between the "in crowd" and the "others".
Members don't get banned for disagreeing with others. But for the PM you sent me, that is another matter.

But getting back to the original topic, if your dog should happen to fall ill again, as dogs do, don't expect your neighbour to sit back and accept listening to your dog bark because he is not happy sitting in his own feces, which is likely because he was kept in a travel kennel.
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