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Eh london to which airport?? Heathrow is at least 18
gatwick is at least 10 on the day
london city is what ever a travel card costs now, about 10 as well
5.00 is the cheapest single fare shown on Trainline.
The other prices make Switzerland look even better value.
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Re: A complaint... about the UK!

It reminds me of the time i was back in the UK, waiting for a bus that did not turn up (a local explained to me that was perfectly normal & one should not be surprised) The train was 15 miins late, there was no locker at the station for me to leave my suitcase in and so had to lug it around town! I then arrived at Gatwick S to find the arrival lounge ripped up with no seats left. Then the flight was deylayed.
But it was nice to know that nothing had really changed since my previous visit!
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Old 18.05.2011, 13:30
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Glennsche, have you never heard of that old British adage, "travelling is more important than arriving"?
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I will agree, the British public transport system is rather sad compared to Switzerland. I still look up for the electronic signs telling me when the next bus is due, and miss hearing the stops announced on the bus.

However, as frustrating as public transport can be here, it is so far and away better than anything I've experienced in the US. I've taken Amtrack (dear god, never again) and attempted to navigate my way around Cleveland Ohio without a car - the bus stops are even worse than here (unlabelled, you don't even know which bus stops there, much less the schedule, the stops are just a sign with the transport symbol on them). I've also taken Greyhound, which...I was actually impressed with.

The OP is from California, from what I understand the public transport system there is even far worse than the east coast/midwest of the US.
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gotta comment here... you actually liked greyhound? Greyhound bus stations are like the Mos Eisley cantina from star wars.

and we do too have rail in california. except that everyone owns their own train they run on roads with rubber tires and we call them cars.

the US and Uk seem to have this in common, we let our rail infrastructure rot in the name of either privitization or Car Culture, and pay the price accordingly. Midwestern intercity rail was good, is now non existent. California never really had it, its too new. But it did have trams and light rail, and then removed it during the boom of the 50s (with a little help from the big oil, rubber and car companies to city councils all over the western us) to tear them out and put in busses instead. The only place in CA which has it is the Bay Area, and its ... ok. It works. Its not great at all but you can at least get to the city center of SF from the airport by train, i think that's the only place on the western US where thats possible.
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I don't understand how you can compare Swiss and British public transportation system. Given the distance between let's say, Olten-Basel or Olten-Zurich it wouldn't be more than a metro system and for that, it seems hardly efficient or cost effective for that matter.
To add insult to injury, constant increase in passengers have pulled SBB out of the red numbers and yet, drastic price increases seem to be a yearly occurence.
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To add insult to injury, constant increase in passengers have pulled SBB out of the red numbers and yet, drastic price increases seem to be a yearly occurence.
coming from a major ticket scoff.
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Years of underinvestment in rail infrastructure by a private company have cost the UK dearly.
I don't think you can really lay the blame on privatisation completely. BR was pretty much a shambles when it was still nationalised, IIRC, except it was taxpayers money which was being mis-used.
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On the Absurdity of British Public Transportation
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Why I am glad to live in CH
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A contrast in systems: Aloof Professionalism vs Pleasant Incompetence

Glad to be back in CH after a weekend in the UK

Went to a mate's stagdoo in the Lake District outside of Windemere last weekend. Good fun, good drinks, great companionship and conversation with some very Top Shelf quality friends, some old and some new.

So hung over and partially poisoned from 87 pints too many, i get thrown out of the car with a "cheers mate thanks for coming see you" at windermere on sunday around 13:00. i go into the station and am told that there are no trains on sunday because they do work on the lines then. so i'll have to go by coach , which evidently means bus in my native american-accented english. "and it leaves soon, in about an hour!" the woman behind the glass helpfully informed me. this coach will get me as far as preston, at which time i may board a train to manchester airport. 2hrs coach, 1hr train. Seems ok, right?

coach leaves on time. we spend the next hour driving down winding country roads to kendal and from there to oxenholme. the coach driver then informs us that window wipers on his bus are defective and we have to call a standby bus. "But not to worry", in the wonderful northern accent, "we'll get you to Preston one way or anuthah". 30mins later it shows up and we continually sullenly onwards. we head down the m6 and stop at every goddamn town along the m6, leave the motorway, work our way into the center of whichever town we find ourselves in, arrive at the station in the center of town where we are cheerfully told "nope noone to pick up, have a pleasant journey!" and repeat the process in reverse, back to the motorway, back down another 10miles to the next town...

finally get to preston 35mins late. its now 4hrs since i left windemeer. my plane leaves in 2hrs and the next train from preston to mac airport is... " running just a bit late, only about 30mins". This will put me in the airport railstation at the same time boarding begins.

so i go out and hop in a taxi, and 70 quid later run into the airport. ticketing and security are, by contrast, super super easy and light. no issue. then i get into the waiting hall and find out that the flight is delayed 30mins, meaning of course i couldve gone by rail afterall. FML.

Flight lands in zurich. Door opens. i check the watch. 10:02. Ran through customs and I was on the 10:20 S2 in the basement's bahnhof and walking into my home at 10:40.

Let's compare: 20mins to go 20miles in ZRH, vs. 5+hrs. to go 100miles in england.

How did you brits conquer half the planet and beat the germans twice with that kind of organization?

Es Lebe CH!
*Don't travel on Sunday* Duh, winner.
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yep!

gotta comment here... you actually liked greyhound? Greyhound bus stations are like the Mos Eisley cantina from star wars.

and we do too have rail in california. except that everyone owns their own train they run on roads with rubber tires and we call them cars.

the US and Uk seem to have this in common, we let our rail infrastructure rot in the name of either privitization or Car Culture, and pay the price accordingly. Midwestern intercity rail was good, is now non existent. California never really had it, its too new. But it did have trams and light rail, and then removed it during the boom of the 50s (with a little help from the big oil, rubber and car companies to city councils all over the western us) to tear them out and put in busses instead. The only place in CA which has it is the Bay Area, and its ... ok. It works. Its not great at all but you can at least get to the city center of SF from the airport by train, i think that's the only place on the western US where thats possible.
I didn't think the trams were bad at all when I visited San Diego...
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On the Absurdity of British Public Transportation
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Why I am glad to live in CH
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A contrast in systems: Aloof Professionalism vs Pleasant Incompetence

Glad to be back in CH after a weekend in the UK

Went to a mate's stagdoo in the Lake District outside of Windemere last weekend. Good fun, good drinks, great companionship and conversation with some very Top Shelf quality friends, some old and some new.

So hung over and partially poisoned from 87 pints too many, i get thrown out of the car with a "cheers mate thanks for coming see you" at windermere on sunday around 13:00. i go into the station and am told that there are no trains on sunday because they do work on the lines then. so i'll have to go by coach , which evidently means bus in my native american-accented english. "and it leaves soon, in about an hour!" the woman behind the glass helpfully informed me. this coach will get me as far as preston, at which time i may board a train to manchester airport. 2hrs coach, 1hr train. Seems ok, right?

coach leaves on time. we spend the next hour driving down winding country roads to kendal and from there to oxenholme. the coach driver then informs us that window wipers on his bus are defective and we have to call a standby bus. "But not to worry", in the wonderful northern accent, "we'll get you to Preston one way or anuthah". 30mins later it shows up and we continually sullenly onwards. we head down the m6 and stop at every goddamn town along the m6, leave the motorway, work our way into the center of whichever town we find ourselves in, arrive at the station in the center of town where we are cheerfully told "nope noone to pick up, have a pleasant journey!" and repeat the process in reverse, back to the motorway, back down another 10miles to the next town...

finally get to preston 35mins late. its now 4hrs since i left windemeer. my plane leaves in 2hrs and the next train from preston to mac airport is... " running just a bit late, only about 30mins". This will put me in the airport railstation at the same time boarding begins.

so i go out and hop in a taxi, and 70 quid later run into the airport. ticketing and security are, by contrast, super super easy and light. no issue. then i get into the waiting hall and find out that the flight is delayed 30mins, meaning of course i couldve gone by rail afterall. FML.

Flight lands in zurich. Door opens. i check the watch. 10:02. Ran through customs and I was on the 10:20 S2 in the basement's bahnhof and walking into my home at 10:40.

Let's compare: 20mins to go 20miles in ZRH, vs. 5+hrs. to go 100miles in england.

How did you brits conquer half the planet and beat the germans twice with that kind of organization?

Es Lebe CH!
So to summarize: a tiny country so minted it has money coming out its ears runs a tinpot little train company well with millions upon millions of investment in the infrastructure. A big country with ten times the population and nowhere near as much wealth per capita runs an average service which incurs some delays.

Given the disgusted-from-switzerland haughtiness of your message I would advise you not to take the train in India, you would be choking on your premium salmon sandwich.
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I don't think you can really lay the blame on privatisation completely. BR was pretty much a shambles when it was still nationalised, IIRC, except it was taxpayers money which was being mis-used.
As opposed to taxpayers money being used to put it right today?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Network_Rail

Tell me how private investment has helped in this situation.

I'd take BR any day over this mess.

I'm going to get on my high horse, but infrastructure should be run in the public hands and not for profit. Electricity, Gas, Rail, Roads et al. Privatisation only serves the exec boards and shareholders. It's not in the interests of the public who use these critical services to allow themselves to be plundered on a daily basis.

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Very true indeed, its been all down hill for the last 50 years, It quite disheartenning to see actually, i hope that one day logic will win over greed, but i cannot see this happenning in the near future.
Possibly the Brits have stayed the same, it's just that the rest of the world imitated, caught up and then overtaken them.
Having a taxed empire also helps to pay for the odd bit of railway maintenance and paper over some inefficiency.
Or possibly it's rose-coloured nostalgia... I'd rather live in London now than in Dickens' time, the middle class didn't exist then
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As opposed to taxpayers money being used to put it right today?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Network_Rail

Tell me how private investment has helped in this situation.

I'd take BR any day over this mess.

I'm going to get on my high horse, but infrastructure should be run in the public hands and not for profit. Electricity, Gas, Rail, Roads et al. Privatisation only serves the exec boards and shareholders. It's not in the interests of the public who use these critical services to allow themselves to be plundered on a daily basis.
And a wrokforce controlled by the Unions?

Anyway, I didn't say it had improved anything, it was a bollocks then and still is. It needs a complete overhaul from top to bottom, involving both the private and public sectors. But please don't ask me how, how much and by whom exactly.
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And a wrokforce controlled by the Unions?

Anyway, I didn't say it had improved anything, it was a bollocks then and still is. It needs a complete overhaul from top to bottom, involving both the private and public sectors. But please don't ask me how, how much and by whom exactly.
I didn't say that.

The union/board model is wrong in the UK and should be as it is in DE + NL. That would solve a lot of problems.

Then again could be worse you could be catching the train in Wales

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-13437279
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I didn't say that.
I know, I deliberately put the words in your mouth
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So to summarize: a tiny country so minted it has money coming out its ears runs a tinpot little train company well with millions upon millions of investment in the infrastructure. A big country with ten times the population and nowhere near as much wealth per capita runs an average service which incurs some delays.

Given the disgusted-from-switzerland haughtiness of your message I would advise you not to take the train in India, you would be choking on your premium salmon sandwich.

so by that logic, german rail should be worse than british rail? They have i think around 30million more people. German rail is surely never on time in comparison to the UK.
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gotta comment here... you actually liked greyhound? Greyhound bus stations are like the Mos Eisley cantina from star wars.

and we do too have rail in california. except that everyone owns their own train they run on roads with rubber tires and we call them cars.

the US and Uk seem to have this in common, we let our rail infrastructure rot in the name of either privitization or Car Culture, and pay the price accordingly. Midwestern intercity rail was good, is now non existent. California never really had it, its too new. But it did have trams and light rail, and then removed it during the boom of the 50s (with a little help from the big oil, rubber and car companies to city councils all over the western us) to tear them out and put in busses instead. The only place in CA which has it is the Bay Area, and its ... ok. It works. Its not great at all but you can at least get to the city center of SF from the airport by train, i think that's the only place on the western US where thats possible.
Except for the station in Cleveland (that's the only one I was in outside of NYC, which was fine), the trip was actually fairly comfortable and smooth. I'd do it again if I needed to get from Cleveland to NYC and didn't want to fly, but only overnight.

Agreed on the car culture, and the pressure the auto manufacturers put on the government to focus on roads, not rail and other public transport systems.
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Ive read the OP twice and I cannot understand why he didnt simply book the chauffeur service you get in first class? I mean an adventure on the public transport system is all well and good , but not when time presses. All you need to do is contact the airline and they have a chauffeur at your hotel door ready to run you to the airport. for goodness sake wake up man!
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Ive read the OP twice and I cannot understand why he didnt simply book the chauffeur service you get in first class? I mean an adventure on the public transport system is all well and good , but not when time presses. All you need to do is contact the airline and they have a chauffeur at your hotel door ready to run you to the airport. for goodness sake wake up man!
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