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Old 24.05.2011, 11:11
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Re: unfair fine

Some years ago my brother was over from the UK and travelling with his two young sons on a Zurich tram, when the inspectors boarded.

He had bought a valid adult ticket for himself and one each child-rate for his boys. To his amazement he was told off by a leather-jacketed inspector because he had paid too much and it was explained in English that should have bought a cheaper 'family deal' ticket...
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Old 24.05.2011, 11:44
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To be fair to the OP, I read it as ultimately a warning to others (not sure why it's just mums - perhaps she thinks Dads have nothing to do with their kids, aren't busy or never make mistakes).:
I managed to travel for three months with my kids before spotting that the family card had expired...

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Some years ago my brother was over from the UK and travelling with his two young sons on a Zurich tram, when the inspectors boarded.

He had bought a valid adult ticket for himself and one each child-rate for his boys. To his amazement he was told off by a leather-jacketed inspector because he had paid too much and it was explained in English that should have bought a cheaper 'family deal' ticket...
This happened to some friends, except they didn't get told off, they got a refund.
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Old 24.05.2011, 11:55
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Hi Mickyfin, hopefully you can write and get your money back minues de 5 CHF...I gather you have not complained yet to the authorities but I guess you will be lucky when you do , don't give up!
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Old 24.05.2011, 12:08
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Re: unfair fine

More bad luck than unfair.
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Old 24.05.2011, 12:13
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Some years ago my brother was over from the UK and travelling with his two young sons on a Zurich tram, when the inspectors boarded.

He had bought a valid adult ticket for himself and one each child-rate for his boys. To his amazement he was told off by a leather-jacketed inspector because he had paid too much and it was explained in English that should have bought a cheaper 'family deal' ticket...

Coming back from Zurich Airport with my two kids, forgot to get a zone extension. Inspector looked at us , gave a Santa type "Ho Ho Ho" and asked us to make sure we have tickets next time.
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Old 24.05.2011, 12:37
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Coming back from Zurich Airport with my two kids, forgot to get a zone extension. Inspector looked at us , gave a Santa type "Ho Ho Ho" and asked us to make sure we have tickets next time.
Were you on a regional train going between cities or one of the "S" trains (S16, S2, etc)?.

Apparently the inspectors on the regional trains are more sympathetic, plus you can buy a ticket on board, whereas the inspectors on the local, "S" trains are a bit more anal and seem to relish issuing fines to the un-ticketed and unaware...
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Old 24.05.2011, 12:40
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Apparently the inspectors on the regional trains are more sympathetic, plus you can buy a ticket on board, whereas the inspectors on the local, "S" trains are a bit more anal and seem to relish issuing fines to the un-ticketed and unaware...
Yeah, what a bunch of tossers to demand from their customers to actually pay for a service... I mean it smells, there are other passengers so they should be happy to have any people on their trains at all...
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Old 24.05.2011, 12:42
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Ah, great! Then the outpost should really try her luck with the SBB
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Old 24.05.2011, 12:44
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Trying to struggle work and looking after a child is never easy so forgive me if being a busy working mum I may make a few mistakes.
I had resently come back from a wounderful road trip in Italy, for safetly took a smaller purse few credit cards. The next days on my return were pretty hectic and had to sqeeze in a Doctors appointment for my Daughter as well as a hundresd other things, rushing from tram to tram I get stopped by the control and asked for my ticket then I show it and then get asked for my Daughters pass so I go back into my purse for her pass, damm its not there, I had left it in my other purse at home.

I get given an fine Sfr80.00. So I tried to find out how I could get out of this fine as the pass was registered like the Halb tax, the thing is the pass is Sfr20:00 a year for my child as long as she travels with me no extra costs. The fine Sfr80:00 so a bit extreame I think.
If it was a Halb tax I forgot I would of only needed to pay Sfr5:00 at any SBB station and not the SFr80:00. I tried everything to try and reduce the fine even though it was registered they wouldnt let me off! Beware busy Mums this could happen to you!
if you take the fine to the sbb with your pass, they will probably cancel the fine and give you a 5chf fine instead.

the inspector obviously cannot give you a reduced fine as you didn't have the pass and everyone would simply claim to have a pass and get reduced fines.
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Old 24.05.2011, 12:45
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Re: unfair fine

I was on the train coming back from Zug one night when stopped for a control. I passed my ticket and halb tax to the inspector who promptly asked for my night ticket... oops. I told him I'd forgotten to buy one as I hadn't expected to need it and prepared for the worst, he smiled asked if I had a mobile, and showed me how to use the SMS service to buy it, no fine and now I have the number saved should I make the same mistake again... what a nice chap
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Old 24.05.2011, 12:51
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the inspector obviously cannot give you a reduced fine as you didn't have the pass and everyone would simply claim to have a pass and get reduced fines.
But if you read the experiences shared in previous posts you'd realize that they can (and do) exercise ample amount of discretionary power they have...

I welcome an organization being stringent about getting its due revenues, but it must also have a sense of balance. SBB spends a lot of money on good-will building measures, but if a few anal inspectors decide to pounce on junior card offenders (heck, what is 30 CHF per year in Switzerland ) that is counter-productive.
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Yeah, what a bunch of tossers to demand from their customers to actually pay for a service... I mean it smells, there are other passengers so they should be happy to have any people on their trains at all...
Sorry, I wasn't clear - of course everyone should have a valid ticket. I was just pointing out that some people, fresh off a flight and legging it for a train, either don't have chance to get a ticket or, like happened to me once, forgot to get the extension of one station to airport-Oerlikon as a supplement to the city Abo.

If you are on a regional train they seem a bit more understanding and the inspector let me off for forgetting the extension (and another time when I paid for a class upgrade instead of an extension - d'oh! Damn confusing buttons on the ticket machines when you're jet-lagged ).
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the inspector obviously cannot give you a reduced fine as you didn't have the pass and everyone would simply claim to have a pass and get reduced fines.
That's not quite right - if you do have a valid pass you can take that and the fine documents to the ticket office and you just have to cough up CHF 5 for the lesser offence of forgetting your pass. Plus it doesn't then count to your "three strikes and you're in court" tally. Bargain!
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Old 24.05.2011, 13:22
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Re: unfair fine

The fine for traveling without a ticket (which is the 80CHF fine) comes with fine print that explains how to get it reduced to 5CHF.

Read the fine print.

Read the fine print again.

You usually have to go pay the fine within 24 hours of being issued the ticket. In that case you can get the 5CHF version.

Afterwards, keep the receipt for a while. Sometimes (this happened to me and it was superuberannoyingridiculousomgbbq) the information about your payment never makes it to the SBB's correct database. In that case, if you are as unlucky as I was, you can keep receiving fines in increasing denominations of chuffs.
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Old 24.05.2011, 15:31
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The fine for traveling without a ticket (which is the 80CHF fine) comes with fine print that explains how to get it reduced to 5CHF.

Read the fine print.
Indeed, and if you're not sure, please do quote the source, like this official one here, so as to avoid spreading half-truths...
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if you take the fine to the sbb with your pass, they will probably cancel the fine and give you a 5chf fine instead.
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That's not quite right - if you do have a valid pass you can take that and the fine documents to the ticket office and you just have to cough up CHF 5 for the lesser offence of forgetting your pass.

is there an echo in here?
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Old 24.05.2011, 16:02
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Re: unfair fine

Does all this SBB talk apply to the OP, who got fined on a tram?

Do ZVV (or whoever runs trams over there) reduce fines for forgotten passes?
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