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Zug buses not pram friendly

Hello everyone,

As the title says, I found that most buses in Zug are not pram friendly, meaning that there are 3 steps to climb before getting on the bus.

I know I could probably ask someone to help everytime but I decided to walk up the hill to my apartment instead. It's a good 25 minutes up a steep hill but it's good exercise I guess.

So there, just wanted to mention it!

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Re: Zug buses not pram friendly

In Zurich there are always a few people who offer to help, so you should be fine. Despite what some people on this forum tend to think, I find the Swiss really nice and helpful.
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Re: Zug buses not pram friendly

I don't have children but I have seen many women (in Zurich) having problems getting their prams in the tram or bus.
I helped 1 lady to get the pram in a tram and I found it quite difficult and I was wondering how is she managing alone when nobody helps her.
For the bus I think is easier but I don't know how are buses in Zug...Still, you have to lift up the pram a bit and if you have some luggage with you, I think is a bit hard to do it.
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In Zurich there are always a few people who offer to help, so you should be fine. Despite what some people on this forum tend to think, I find the Swiss really nice and helpful.
I never had any problems when I was pushing a pram around the city - always managed to get some victim to help me hoist it onto a tram or bus.

I found that trips around the city with a BabyBjörn was much easier. I was pretty wide, though - BabyBjörn on the front, rucksack on the back and a Migros bags in each hand. I could have put most weightlifters to shame.
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Re: Zug buses not pram friendly

WOW! Impressive!

I have a babybjorn but she is just too big for it now.

I guess I would find lovely people to help me but I just hate having to ask for help, feel like I'm bothering them... so I walk instead. Silly, huh??
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I guess I would find lovely people to help me but I just hate having to ask for help, feel like I'm bothering them... so I walk instead. Silly, huh??
Try just smiling at the nearest person, they may be inclined (/pressured) to help
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Re: Zug buses not pram friendly

I love helping mothers who carry babies (or have them on a pram): helping them get on a bus or carry their groceries .
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Re: Zug buses not pram friendly

Quite a few buses, trams and trains across Switzerland have several steps at the entrances. Like others have said, I have always seen people offer assistance to those needing it, not just for those with prams.

Why are the children's play areas on the upper deck of the SBB trains? That seems stranger to me.
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In Zurich there are always a few people who offer to help, so you should be fine. Despite what some people on this forum tend to think, I find the Swiss really nice and helpful.
While this is true, those engineers in charge might give more consideration to people with prams, elderly people and people with lots of luggage. Many buses I see here, on arrival at a stop "sink down" on the side of the entrance, making entry relatively easy for everybody. Proving that solutions really ARE possible.
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Re: Zug buses not pram friendly

When my kids were very small, we just folded up the pushchair and carried child under one arm, pushchair under the other, and the shopping in our teeth.

Of course, in those days we didn't push 4wd off-road buggies around town.
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When my kids were very small, we just folded up the pushchair and carried child under one arm, pushchair under the other, and the shopping in our teeth.

Of course, in those days we didn't push 4wd off-road buggies around town.
So we should all have to buy two buggies to accommodate all situations? I actually did that but am fortunate to be able to afford to do that, and anyway my lightweight townie buggy does not collapse quite so easily to be able to tuck 8.5kg of baby under one arm while I'm doing it.

I guess in your day the disabled folk folded up their wheelchairs too and rolled into the buses and trains...
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Old 24.05.2011, 18:04
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So we should all have to buy two buggies to accommodate all situations? I actually did that but am fortunate to be able to afford to do that, and anyway my lightweight townie buggy does not collapse quite so easily to be able to tuck 8.5kg of baby under one arm while I'm doing it.

I guess in your day the disabled folk folded up their wheelchairs too and rolled into the buses and trains...
Nah. It's easier (and cheaper) just to put a leash on the kids and drag 'em around. Gotta keep these things simple, yo.
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So we should all have to buy two buggies to accommodate all situations?...
No - we had just a second hand three-way McClaren stroller. I remember pushing it along muddy country paths, wishing some manufacturer would make an off-road version. It gave up the ghost just as our third was old enough to not need it. Some eighteen years later, my sister's just had a sprog - her "lightweight travel" buggy is bigger (and heavier) than what we had.

The comparison with wheelchairs is a bit off. You have a choice. Back in those dark days, the wheelchair-bound didn't use public transport. It seems as public transport has become more accomodating that prams and pushchairs have got bigger and heavier.
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Nah. It's easier (and cheaper) just to put a leash on the kids and drag 'em around. Gotta keep these things simple, yo.
That sounds much harder when the kid cant walk than hauling a buggy up some steps. I have warned my 6mo daughter that the free ride ends when she is mobile though, she just laughs and 'accidentally' smacks me in the face...
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The comparison with wheelchairs is a bit off. You have a choice.
It's not a comparison, the point is that if it's pram unfriendly it's almost certainly wheelchair unfriendly which, in my view, is even less acceptable precisely be use they don't have a choice. But you seem to be implying that parents should not exercise their choice, either because you didn't or because wheelchair users can't, I'm not sure what your reason is.

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Back in those dark days, the wheelchair-bound didn't use public transport. It seems as public transport has become more accomodating that prams and pushchairs have got bigger and heavier.
I disagree, the traditional prams, silver cross style, that parents had to use because maclaren style buggies were not suitable for newborns, were much heavier and more cumbersome. You just disnt see them aeound because like wheelchairs they just couldnt use public tranaport . The affordability of advanced materials today allow for bigger prams and buggies to be lighter than ever.
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While this is true, those engineers in charge might give more consideration to people with prams, elderly people and people with lots of luggage. Many buses I see here, on arrival at a stop "sink down" on the side of the entrance, making entry relatively easy for everybody. Proving that solutions really ARE possible.
Basically all new buses are low-floor with "kneeling" functionality. (Yes, that's really what it's called in English!)

Also, the answer to "what happens when no good samaritans are around?" is simple: the bus or tram driver must help. I've seen it happen. (Trains are different: if you need a lift to a non-low-floor train, you must call in advance.)
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Re: Zug buses not pram friendly

I don't want to troll or anything...but I'm coming to think, that prams aren't necessarily bus, streetcar, etc. friendly. People use prams around the world and why aren't there any prams that facilitate everyday urban life?
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Re: Zug buses not pram friendly

I'm going to invent a bus-friendly pram. Only catch is that it won't be broad enough to have a full-sized living baby in it, no handle sticking out to push it with and no basket underneath for all the other stuff a Mum has to drag about with her. It'll be lightweight and regretably fall apart at the first kerb but all the bits will go in all trams and buses easily.
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I'm going to invent a bus-friendly pram. Only catch is that it won't be broad enough to have a full-sized living baby in it, no handle sticking out to push it with and no basket underneath for all the other stuff a Mum has to drag about with her. It'll be lightweight and regretably fall apart at the first kerb but all the bits will go in all trams and buses easily.
I'm no engineer, but for instance, can't there be those hinges which all aiport trolley have that enable you to go up an escalator..and if so, couldn't they be revolving so that you could easily push a pram up the stairs?
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While this is true, those engineers in charge might give more consideration to people with prams, elderly people and people with lots of luggage. Many buses I see here, on arrival at a stop "sink down" on the side of the entrance, making entry relatively easy for everybody. Proving that solutions really ARE possible.
The engineers design according to customer specification, which means that e.g. VBZ didn't think it was necessary back then to make it easier for older, handicapped or people with strollers...

...today it's changed though, thank God.
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