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Old 28.05.2011, 16:11
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I agree.
I don't. I'm with Mud on this one.
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Re: Kids in blackface

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It's the time of year when high school kids dress in costumes on appointed days. Last week I saw a bunch of 'North American Indians' and was a little surprised.
Just to verify - this bit I don't really get. The only times of year that I'm familiar with that kids costume up, are carnival and 3-Kings (which as already mentioned, involves one child donning black face paint).
Is this "appointed day dressing up" peculiar to Lausanne?; do you really know why they were dressed in costume and what was their brief, as given to them by their teacher?
Maybe if we knew the whys and wherefores a bit better we would all be better placed to judge and comment - but it's unlikely that we'll ever know .... or please enlighten.

Again, already mentioned, but the dressing up as Indians, didn't offend in the same way?; after all Canada has never had a negative history with their indigenous peoples?

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Well, today I saw 2 white kids wearing beautiful African traditional clothing, but they had smeared dark brown paint all over themselves. It was shocking. I see it will be an uphill battle to raise sensitive, respectful, culturally-aware kids in this country, if these girls were allowed to leave their homes and go to school dressed in such an offensive manner.
Without regurgitating what has already been written - this reaction is just wrong - again not knowing what they were told to do. And realistically, these girls had to get ready prior to leaving for school and as the vast majority of secondary school children convey themselves, I don't know what else could have been expected. Oh ... no mention of any thing else other than dark brown paint (one assumes face paint, as opposed to satin gloss), smeared on them, at this point.

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Perhaps it's my North American political correctness, but given the degree of racism experienced by Africans here, not to mention the history of European colonialism in Africa, you'd think schools would be educating kids, not encouraging such a disgusting level of willful ignorance. Minus 1 million points for the Swiss school system!
I have already written (page 1), that it appears there is an inherited guilt in some people, and subsequent desire to right the world's injustices with a philanthropic righteousness, that can be more damaging than doing or saying nothing - especially to children and young adults who may yet not be racially corrupted - positively or negatively.

This often results in a very blinkered assessment of something that may be perfectly innocent, but misperceived by the observer.

After all the people who set off on their crusade may often be motivated by their own self fulfilment, and may have lost sight of the deeper implications. The people they are trying to save with their spreading of political correctness, probably themselves believe that they don't need saving in the first place.

Oh ... a final point - it can't be said that the Swiss are racially insensitive, as I can't find "MoorKopf's" anywhere, any more.
[Although nobody found it strange that a gentile white girl took the part of Mary, in my daughter's nativity, last Christmas]
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Old 28.05.2011, 20:21
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Oh ... a final point - it can't be said that the Swiss are racially insensitive, as I can't find "MoorKopf's" anywhere, any more.
[Although nobody found it strange that a gentile white girl took the part of Mary, in my daughter's nativity, last Christmas]
That's because you can't spell correctly:

http://www.mohrenkopfdubler.ch/

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Old 28.05.2011, 20:26
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Re: Kids in blackface

For anyone who misses the un-PC days of the '80's (when things were more straight forward and in yer face).

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It's the time of year when high school kids dress in costumes on appointed days. Last week I saw a bunch of 'North American Indians' and was a little surprised.

Well, today I saw 2 white kids wearing beautiful African traditional clothing, but they had smeared dark brown paint all over themselves. It was shocking. I see it will be an uphill battle to raise sensitive, respectful, culturally-aware kids in this country, if these girls were allowed to leave their homes and go to school dressed in such an offensive manner.

Perhaps it's my North American political correctness, but given the degree of racism experienced by Africans here, not to mention the history of European colonialism in Africa, you'd think schools would be educating kids, not encouraging such a disgusting level of willful ignorance. Minus 1 million points for the Swiss school system!
I have also seen at Fastnacht many stereotypes of Chinese also. Switzerland is a bit behind on these matters. The scary part is that they don't know it's wrong.
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Old 28.05.2011, 21:09
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. The scary part is that they don't know it's wrong.
It isn't. Have you read the thread?
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It isn't. Have you read the thread?
Could you please clarify your response. What do you mean by it isn't?
Do you mean it isn't wrong to use stereotypes of Chinese at Fastnacht?
Or do you mean that the Swiss do know it's wrong. Sorry, if I'm confused.
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I have also seen at Fastnacht many stereotypes of Chinese also. Switzerland is a bit behind on these matters. The scary part is that they don't know it's wrong.
Oktoberfest in California



Really, some countries are just so behind..
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Oktoberfest in California



Really, some countries are just so behind..
Please explain how that is a demeaning stereotype compared to stereotypical portrayals of Chinese at Fastnacht?
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Please explain how that is a demeaning stereotype compared to stereotypical portrayals of Chinese at Fastnacht?
dressing up as a Chinese is demeaning but as a German is not? why? surely wearing those silly stereotypical lederhosen makes fun of Germans as much.
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dressing up as a Chinese is demeaning but as a German is not? why? surely wearing those silly stereotypical lederhosen makes fun of Germans as much.
I've seen Germans themselves wear those. Your argument and comparision is a bit weak on this one
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Re: Kids in blackface

it's quite different to make fun of your own country/family/partner etc compared to when someone else does it.

So where exactly is the difference - we have a ridiculous costumes of a certain country that nobody wears in real life any more, silly mustaches, braided blonde wigs - but for some reason this is totally ok.
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Old 28.05.2011, 22:12
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Really, some countries are just so behind..
Hmmm... white people dressing up as white people.
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Hmmm... white people dressing up as white people.
yes, Americans dressing up as a caricature of Germans. Or is it only about race? what if the girls were lighter skinned africans and had made themselves darker, would that be ok?
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Hmmm... white people dressing up as white people.
Californians parodying Bavarians. If you are properly PC, skin colour should be irrelevant.

Apparently.
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yes, Americans dressing up as a caricature of Germans. Or is it only about race? what if the girls were lighter skinned africans and had made themselves darker, would that be ok?
They are celebrating Oktoberfest, a German celebration. And how do you know that the people in the picture didn't have German ancestry. Portraying someone with obvious steerotypical features in a demeaning way like they do when they dress up wearing Chinese masks is wrong.
It reminds me of when the Spanish basketball team had their picture taken , and they all "slanted" their eyes. They just didn't get that that would be offensive. I suspect the same with you.
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If you are properly PC, skin colour should be irrelevant.

Apparently.
Yes, and I guess that's why I'd have absolutely no problem with the girls simply dressing up in African costumes without the need to paint their faces black.
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Yes, and I guess that's why I'd have absolutely no problem with the girls simply dressing up in African costumes without the need to paint their faces black.
Fantastic. Now please explain why*


*You were responding seriously to sarcasm methinks: here's a question:

I am a white Englishman. If I wanted to dress up as Bob Marley, so that no one could tell the difference, how would I do it?
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Re: Kids in blackface

I decided against applying my fake tan today thanks to this thread.
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I decided against applying my fake tan today thanks to this thread.
I was going to eat arroz negro but am totally off it because of the name and what the Americans will say if I get some on my face (I'm a messy eater but with certain dishes it apparently makes me basically a Klan member).
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