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I have to say, I've not asked any of my friends what they thought of RDJr's role in Tropic Thunder, seeing how the entire movie was chock full of ridiculous stereotypes (here is the - also stereotypical - white "fat cat producer" played by Tom Cruise) and most (all!) "understand" that the movie is a comedy about such movies and the stereotypes in them, not making fun of the people who may or may not be like that but of movies that portray people like that.


how do you know that was not the case with the girls? you can't.. so it's ridiculous to declare that the swiss system is encouraging and blablabla read first post.


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the whole "caricature" and "blackface" i completely disregarded after that because the was she put the first op. she did NOT retract from the swiss educational system backslash, so OP fail, I'm sorry... she as so far did not take responsability on her actions WHILE laying it heavy on things that were circumstancial at best.

there is a difference on blackface and what rdjr did; yes. No one got bent out of shape by RDjr for that, people however got mad because of the retard comment in the movie.

if you want to go even further, Kevin Smith did his own "fat jokes" for bruce willis to use at him in die hard. why? he understands context and when a joke is a joke.

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Hahaha...yeah.

I had the same, insert girl instead of black. As long as it looks good.
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if this is the kind of stuff they are stuck with on TV - then they are just imitating Virtual life.

C'mon some Swiss can't get enough of this!



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The images still can't detract from the music enough for me- Cab calloway- pure class!

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So, overnight the thread has morphed into:

Two racist teenagers in Geneva protesting by blacking out their faces attending a carnival from an international school where the OP works as a race relations counsellor?

Gotta love this forum for people making their own stuff up and exaggerating the bits that suit them.

Oh, and the Americas also seem to have been rediscovered and reclassified. Wow!

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Re: Kids in blackface

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Two racist teenagers in Geneva protesting by blacking out their faces attending a carnival from an international school where the OP works as a race relations counsellor?

Gotta love this forum for people making their own stuff up and exaggerating the bits that suit them.

Oh, and the Americas also seem to have been rediscovered and reclassified. Wow!
There is a difference, you can be from Canada or Mexico or any other country in the Americas. and say you are from the Americas, but you are not from America.
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There is a difference, you can be from Canada or Mexico or any other country in the Americas. and say you are from the Americas, but you are not from America.
"America" and "The Americas" are synonymous and interchangeable.
The US Americans would try and usurp this meaning, but to the rest of the world they are one and the same.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Americas

Try to grasp the global view.
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"America" and "The Americas" are synonymous and interchangeable.
The US Americans would try and usurp this meaning, but to the rest of the world they are one and the same.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Americas

Try to grasp the global view.

Would they now? Surely you don't mean of them, or do you?
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"America" and "The Americas" are synonymous and interchangeable.
The US Americans would try and usurp this meaning, but to the rest of the world they are one and the same.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Americas

Try to grasp the global view.
They are not , synonymous and interchangeable
In English there is a difference.
It has always been that way and always will be.
If a Mexican citizen shows his passport to the border patrol, border patrol won't say I see you are from America now would he? Other languages such as Spanish may not have a distinction. But in English,America refers to the United States of America , where Americans live. I can see where non -native English speakers may not be able to understand this, but it's not that hard.
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Re: Kids in blackface

So, Christopher Columbus didn't discover America, is that what you are saying?

(He discovered what is now the Dominican Republic/Haiti, which isn't part of the US and therefore not part of 'America')

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Re: Kids in blackface

So South America is only a place "south of" America... etc. But not "the south of" which would be the southern states of the US...
It can't be and not be can it?
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They are not , synonymous and interchangeable
In English there is a difference.
It has always been that way and always will be.
If a Mexican citizen shows his passport to the border patrol, border patrol won't say I see you are from America now would he? Other languages such as Spanish may not have a distinction. But in English,America refers to the United States of America , where Americans live. I can see where non -native English speakers may not be able to understand this, but it's not that hard.
You are wrong. Simple. Wrong by any published definition, English or otherwise. Wrong in every sense.

Feel free to prove otherwise, try dictionaries, a thesaurus, an encyclopedia etc...
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I said me. I am first generation English. And no where was there the culture of slavery more than in Africa itself, yet they certainly don't find black face reminiscent of intra-tribal kidnapping and slavery. It is an American phenomenon.
Out of curiosity, what is your cultural heritage - where was your family before they were in England?

The reason I ask is because of the bolded portion below:

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So, after a bit of thought, I reckon as follows. Blackening up is offensive and shouldn't be done, for the mere fact that it's offensive to others...in America.

I am white but when I go to American I'm not white, I'm English. I'm not "white" because I was never part of the slavery/civil rights dynamic. I never benefited from it, was never harmed by it, and it's not my problem. I don't have any guilt about it and don't owe anything to anybody. Black-face is part of a collection of sensitive items in the States along with certain words and ways of speaking that cause offence. For this reason, it shouldn't be done there.

But Switzerland (and indeed the UK) has none of the heritage of slavery and civil rights and therefore what is offensive in one country, isn't in another. Much like words are not innately offensive, so actions aren't either. It's about being sensitive to one's surroundings and I very much doubt there'd be anyone, of any colour that would be sensitive to dark face paint in Switzerland. I know for a fact that black Africans aren't offended by it (where it's meant well).

I did a bit of searching around because I am so sure that The South was supported with munitions, uniforms and ships, was aided in getting past the blockades that The North had on Southern ports... by the British.

Guess what... they did. Both the British and the French supported The South during the US Civil War, because the society there (on the surface) more closely resembled the system of aristocracy in those countries. There would be benefit to them in the world stage to "prove" that the democratic system put in place in the US didn't work and having The South win the Civil War would provide that proof.

So, they did everything they could to support The South, in fact, almost coming directly to war against The North by way of Canadian ports when Captain Charles Wilkes of the USS San Jacinto stopped the British ship The Trent to stop at sea and relinquish two American passengers. These men, named John Slidell and James M. Mason, were headed to England and France in preparation of gaining recognition of The Confederate States as a separate country.

Of course, the British (and French) politicos were "smart" enough to say over and over again that they didn't support slavery but... well... I'd say that providing support to the extent that they did to The South speaks volumes otherwise.

So, the hands of folks along this side of "the pond" aren't near as clean regarding slavery in the US as they like to claim to be. Perhaps they didn't support slavery on the surface but they sure were happy to profit from it in many, many ways. (And that's not even getting into the history Britain has with it's treatment of other peoples around the world, after all, some of my earliest American ancestors were Irish who came to the New World by way of British debtor's prisons following having their livelyhoods taken from them bits at a time - by the British - until they had nothing left but debt.) Not surprisingly, the historical accounts of British involvement I find by searching here and now are a bit different than what was printed in our US History books.



Anyhow, history lessons on Sunday are "fun" and all but that really has little bearing on the OP's reaction to teens in Switzerland.

I think that we all could stand a few lessons from each other... some of us need to learn to ease up a bit and be a little less sensitive (myself included) and some of us need to wise up a bit and become a little more sensitive (myself included ).
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I agree with RTK that, most people in the US think of Americans as only those who are from the USA. Regardless of whether that is formally correct, it's really just a matter of semantics.

A Mexican = someone from Mexico.

A Canadian = someone from Canada.

But does a USAan = someone from the US? No. They're considered Americans.

Again, it's just a matter of semantics. And if you were to ask most people in the US if they were a "USAan," they would most likely look at you strange and say "No, I'm American," because there simply isn't another word to describe their particular nationality.
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I agree with RTK that, most people in the US think of Americans as only those who are from the USA. Regardless of whether that is formally correct, it's really just a matter of semantics.

A Mexican = someone from Mexico.

A Canadian = someone from Canada.

But does a USAan = someone from the US? No. They're considered Americans.

Again, it's just a matter of semantics. And if you were to ask most people in the US if they were a "USAan," they would most likely look at you strange and say "No, I'm American," because there simply isn't another word to describe their particular nationality.

What's wrong with "U.S. American" ?
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Out of curiosity, what is your cultural heritage - where was your family before they were in England?

The reason I ask is because of the bolded portion below:




I did a bit of searching around because I am so sure that The South was supported with munitions, uniforms and ships, was aided in getting past the blockades that The North had on Southern ports... by the British.

Guess what... they did. Both the British and the French supported The South during the US Civil War, because the society there (on the surface) more closely resembled the system of aristocracy in those countries. There would be benefit to them in the world stage to "prove" that the democratic system put in place in the US didn't work and having The South win the Civil War would provide that proof.

So, they did everything they could to support The South, in fact, almost coming directly to war against The North by way of Canadian ports when Captain Charles Wilkes of the USS San Jacinto stopped the British ship The Trent to stop at sea and relinquish two American passengers. These men, named John Slidell and James M. Mason, were headed to England and France in preparation of gaining recognition of The Confederate States as a separate country.

Of course, the British (and French) politicos were "smart" enough to say over and over again that they didn't support slavery but... well... I'd say that providing support to the extent that they did to The South speaks volumes otherwise.

So, the hands of folks along this side of "the pond" aren't near as clean regarding slavery in the US as they like to claim to be. Perhaps they didn't support slavery on the surface but they sure were happy to profit from it in many, many ways. (And that's not even getting into the history Britain has with it's treatment of other peoples around the world, after all, some of my earliest American ancestors were Irish who came to the New World by way of British debtor's prisons following having their livelyhoods taken from them bits at a time - by the British - until they had nothing left but debt.) Not surprisingly, the historical accounts of British involvement I find by searching here and now are a bit different than what was printed in our US History books.



Anyhow, history lessons on Sunday are "fun" and all but that really has little bearing on the OP's reaction to teens in Switzerland.

I think that we all could stand a few lessons from each other... some of us need to learn to ease up a bit and be a little less sensitive (myself included) and some of us need to wise up a bit and become a little more sensitive (myself included ).

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What's wrong with "U.S. American" ?
There's nothing wrong with that, but again, it's just simply not a phrase that is used by (most) people in the US. Or their use of "American" is just a shortened version of it. I think it's obvious that the word "American" may sometimes mean something a bit different to someone from the US than it does to someone outside of it. And I see no problem with that. Again, it's just a matter of cultural semantics.
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There's nothing wrong with that, but again, it's just simply not a phrase that is used by (most) people in the US.
That's ok. Two things:

a) We are not in the US. From a European perspective is America synonymous with "New World" and means anything to the west from here.

b) English is not a language that is exclusively spoken in the US. If US Americans believe that only they should be referred to as "Americans", that's one thing. Claiming that this is the case "in English" seems wrong... the English speakers from England here seem to disagree...
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That's ok. Two things:

a) We are not in the US. From a European perspective is America synonymous with "New World" and means anything to the west from here.

b) English is not a language that is exclusively spoken in the US. If US Americans believe that only they should be referred to as "Americans", that's one thing. Claiming that this is the case "in English" seems wrong... the English speakers from England here seem to disagree...

I think you guys are pulling this argument out of your... nether regions.

I doubt very seriously you'd find any "Americans" (from whichever country in NA ) of European ancestry who, when asked where they're from, state themselves to be "American" unless they are from the US.
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