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Human trafficking and slavery still continues to this day. It's not as visible obviously then before, but it still exists. We all profit it from it in one way or another via products purchased or services used.
So how have you profited from slavery and trafficking ?
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Old 29.05.2011, 21:01
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I agree with RTK that, most people in the US think of Americans as only those who are from the USA. Regardless of whether that is formally correct, it's really just a matter of semantics.

A Mexican = someone from Mexico.

A Canadian = someone from Canada.

But does a USAan = someone from the US? No. They're considered Americans.

Again, it's just a matter of semantics. And if you were to ask most people in the US if they were a "USAan," they would most likely look at you strange and say "No, I'm American," because there simply isn't another word to describe their particular nationality.
Well, back when I was still from the US, I described myslef as being from the US, NEVER "American".

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Let's not forget that wholesome Mickey Mouse has his origins in blackface. (no, really)

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Let's not forget that wholesome Mickey Mouse has his origins in blackface. (no, really)

So that's where Swiss cheese comes from.. outta Mickey Mouse's butt
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Well, back when I was still from the US, I described myslef as being from the US, NEVER "American".

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You must have come from a "special" place then

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So, Christopher Columbus didn't discover America, is that what you are saying?

(He discovered what is now the Dominican Republic/Haiti, which isn't part of the US and therefore not part of 'America')

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everybody knows that the vikings (my ancestors) discovered america, that looser colombus was 500 years too late...

http://www.american-firearms.com/his...20America.html
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everybody knows that the vikings (my ancestors) discovered america, that looser colombus was 500 years too late...

http://www.american-firearms.com/his...20America.html

Errr....

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In recent years researchers have sought to use familiar tools to validate or reject established theories like Clovis first.[2] As new discoveries come to light, past hypotheses are reevaluated and new theories constructed. The archeological evidence suggests that Paleo-Indians' first "widespread" habitation of the Americas occurred during the end of the last glacial period, or more specifically what is known as the late glacial maximum, around 16,500–13,000 years ago.[3]
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Re: Kids in blackface

hmmm... vikings seemed to be pretty late anyway as people were there thousands of years before (my ancestors )

i think the problem (back ot) is that in north america , 'blackface' was something that was done to characterize a race of people in a ugly, stereotypical and blatantly racist way. it also was popular during a time when lynchings and violence towards those who were not visibly white and european looking was very common and it still holds a very bitter taste (understandably) for people.

likewise there is the same issue with depictions of native americans and caricatures that accentuated ethnicity in a stereotypical way.

the history of these things are still pretty recent and still pretty harmful- and it makes complete sense to me that the op would be offended by this, i feel offended by depictions like those too. but, i'm not sure if the intention was the same. if it was a celebration of a culture, why bother with painting the face, and if they do, why do it in such a sloppy and ugly manner? maybe it is stupid teens who have no idea of the image and offense that it leads to for some or the history and link to violence that it had. that seems very likely for a typical teen in switzerland, after all how would they know? but, as was said before, it can be a perfect moment to talk a bit about that.

i love chapelle, and i remember reading about how he actually regretted the bit he did on the minstrel show- sometimes we can look at stereotypes that are done in a way to poke fun at ourselves at it is genuinely funny. but other times, there is a fine line that it can roll into reiterating the same stereotypes that cause harm, especially among those not of the same culture/race/etc.
i know for myself, if my cousin makes a joke about the food we eat or particular physical characteristics, i can laugh because i know it is funny but also it is something we are strangely proud of- while if someone outside of the culture made the same joke it could be offensive because there isn't the same kind of pride or reverence.
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erm... if you look at the picture closely, it does NOT look like Swiss cheese is coming from Mickey's butt! Where in the world did this cartoon come from???
Disney would be rolling in his grave.

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Re: Kids in blackface

Another German/Swiss/Austrian "achievements"...

http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohrenk...Geb%C3%A4ck%29

http://de.wiktionary.org/wiki/Negerkuss

also quite "harmless" or?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tintin_in_the_Congo

But I guess nobody would feel offended by these...
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Another German/Swiss/Austrian "achievements"...

http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohrenk...Geb%C3%A4ck%29

http://de.wiktionary.org/wiki/Negerkuss

also quite "harmless" or?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tintin_in_the_Congo

But I guess nobody would feel offended by these...
I had a 'heated discussion' with my daughter, she wants to see the new Tin Tin movie, so I showed her all the Tin Tin stuff. She said but I lived Tin Tin when I was little, why did you buy me the books? I replied that I never did. She answered- you still let me keep them. I answered, "that was in Switzerland, all your friends had that stuff" It was a cop out answer thought the truth was sometimes, sometimes I just gave up fighting.

Off track but talking about slavery, the young are the new indentured slaves in the US. Desperate to get a foot on the land they work free in internships, many get very little real experience they are just free labour. When they are done there are always more where they came from. It is happening in the Uk too, I'm glad that Switzerland hasn't resorted to this yet.
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Old 30.05.2011, 02:42
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Another German/Swiss/Austrian "achievements"...

http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohrenk...Geb%C3%A4ck%29

http://de.wiktionary.org/wiki/Negerkuss

also quite "harmless" or?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tintin_in_the_Congo

But I guess nobody would feel offended by these...
Oh, wow, truly shocking: 19th century dishes had racist names! How dare they use words like "negro" at a time the blacks in the southern US still lived in slave like conditions and the British were busy killing Zulus in South Africa... bad bad Swiss, Austrians and Germans.

Even worse: Belgian children book authors dared to write about contemporary topics in the way people saw them back then...

I have another example: Some say Hitler was anti semitic...
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Oh, wow, truly shocking: 19th century dishes had racist names! How dare they use words like "negro" at a time the blacks in the southern US still lived in slave like conditions and the British were busy killing Zulus in South Africa... bad bad Swiss, Austrians and Germans.

Even worse: Belgian children book authors dared to write about contemporary topics in the way people saw them back then...

I have another example: Some say Hitler was anti semitic...
The Swiss don't say Negrokuss or Mohrenkopf anymore? Things really must be improving. My husband taunts me with the word, he loves them and has always known them as negrokuss from when he was little in Iran. Of curse he didn't know the real meaning. Thank goodness for the change, my grandchildren will not be asking me for negrokuss.
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Wkipedia says " No"

Are you sure about this Treverus?

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In German speaking Switzerland, they are commonly known as Mohrenköpfe (Moor's heads),[21][22] it's one of the European countries that still uses the original term. In the French speaking part of Switzerland they are known as Têtes Choco ("chocolate heads").[23
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Oh, wow, truly shocking: 19th century dishes had racist names! How dare they use words like "negro" at a time the blacks in the southern US still lived in slave like conditions and the British were busy killing Zulus in South Africa... bad bad Swiss, Austrians and Germans.

Even worse: Belgian children book authors dared to write about contemporary topics in the way people saw them back then...

I have another example: Some say Hitler was anti semitic...
There are still signs outside bakeries here in Switzerland saying "Mohrenkopf"...
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Old 30.05.2011, 09:35
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Cue MLK:



Oh well, I still have a dream that all the little children in Switzerland will one day be judged not by the color of their skin but by the content of their character. I hope in my lifetime I'll see what the end's gonna be.
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So how have you profited from slavery and trafficking ?
There are alwasy those who will profit, directly or indirectly , knowingly or unknowingly

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y4AItMg70kg

Then there is the slave labour during the law. Swiss companies relying on Salve labour abroad, the if you really want to feel guilty there's this- I'm dying for some chocolate, well not really dying but...:

http://www.thedarksideofchocolate.org/


Enough already?
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There are alwasy those who will profit, directly or indirectly , knowingly or unknowingly

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y4AItMg70kg

Then there is the slave labour during the law. Swiss companies relying on Salve labour abroad, the if you really want to feel guilty there's this- I'm dying for some chocolate, well not really dying but...:

http://www.thedarksideofchocolate.org/

Enough already?
Impressive sites, maybe...Nah.

I fail to see how we ALL profit from slavery and trafficking as the poster mentioned... Some facts would do for a start. Not enough already...
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Then there is the slave labour during the law. Swiss companies relying on Salve labour abroad, the if you really want to feel guilty there's this- I'm dying for some chocolate, well not really dying but...:

http://www.thedarksideofchocolate.org/
So don't buy chocolate, don't buy iPhones and other electronics (China labour, rare earth from Africa), don't buy cane sugar, don't buy bananas, don't buy cars, don't buy clothes and go back to your cave.
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I really object to the historic simplification and even dillution of the term slavery. (taking unpaid internships is something entirely different from being a slave I hope you'd agree)
There are very few countries that did not practice and profit from slavery, why the guilt? We should also be ashamed and feel guilty of every other bad thing that our ancestors have done; wars, torture and so on.
But why should people living today need to feel shame for slavery?
And why is the US in some way exemplary of how every other country should handle this? I react somewhat allergic to this cultural imperialism, it always seems to be U.S. Americans that tell others how to live their traditions and culture and what is appropriate and what not.
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