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Hi Friends,
Last week I saw something very strange thing happen in Irish Pub(Paddy's @ Heuwaage).
It was one of the usual overcrowded friday nights at Paddy's. Me and couple of my
friends were having drinks sitting right next to the bar on groundfloor (Paddy also
has a basement with a dance floor)
It was around 1am in the morning when I encountered this incident. Out of nowhere,
I saw one of my Indian acquaintances being pulled out by the Bouncer. He held him by the
sides and rushed him to the exit. Surprised, I rushed to the exit and as the Bouncer went back in,
I asked him what went wrong my friend. He said pointing to his shoe, he was just trying to hurry
up a bit through the crowd as his shoe lace got untied. He also mentioned he did not push anybody but
just wanted to get to a corner so he could tie his lace. He said the Bouncer did not hear
a thing and just pushed him out of the pub.

I consoled him saying we would try to get an answer for this behavior. So here I am posting and
sharing the experience!
This seems sheer Racism to me.Opinions/Comments/Suggestions are most welcome!!

Cheers,
Marsello.
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Old 30.05.2011, 00:30
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Hi Friends,
Last week I saw something very strange thing happen in Irish Pub(Paddy's @ Heuwaage).
It was one of the usual overcrowded friday nights at Paddy's. Me and couple of my
friends were having drinks sitting right next to the bar on groundfloor (Paddy also
has a basement with a dance floor)
It was around 1am in the morning when I encountered this incident. Out of nowhere,
I saw one of my Indian acquaintances being pulled out by the Bouncer. He held him by the
sides and rushed him to the exit. Surprised, I rushed to the exit and as the Bouncer went back in,
I asked him what went wrong my friend. He said pointing to his shoe, he was just trying to hurry
up a bit through the crowd as his shoe lace got untied. He also mentioned he did not push anybody but
just wanted to get to a corner so he could tie his lace. He said the Bouncer did not hear
a thing and just pushed him out of the pub.

I consoled him saying we would try to get an answer for this behavior. So here I am posting and
sharing the experience!
This seems sheer Racism to me.Opinions/Comments/Suggestions are most welcome!!

Cheers,
Marsello.
Did you ask the "bouncer" about the incident ?
What is the exact nationality of the "bouncer" ?
What about the understanding of German of that "bouncer" ?
And what about the education of that man ?
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Old 30.05.2011, 00:54
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Re: Never-Ending - Race of colors!!

As the Bouncer (seemed Turkish) pushed him out, the bouncer spoke to his colleague bouncer(this bouncer understands English) at the entrance. He complained in german to the English speaking bouncer mentioning about the Indian, the way he was coming out of the crowd.

When my Indian friend started to question this irrational behavior to the English speaking bouncer, he just said "You have to leave".My friend showed him the untied shoe lace & said he was just moving to the corner. He said he comes there often and this kind of behavior is unacceptable. He felt insulted and poorly being judged.
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Old 30.05.2011, 01:02
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Well, this is a confusing mess of confusion.
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Old 30.05.2011, 01:27
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Well, this is a confusing mess of confusion.
Agree, could be racism, could just be a misunderstanding. Perhaps speak to the management, since they hired the bouncer.
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Knowing that bar very well I can only comment from when I lived in Basel.

I never had a problem there the bouncers were always perfect gents, even helping me to the door when I was far too well greased. Paddies day eh, gets the best of us.

Sometimes I've seen this before in a crowded darkened bar it can be a case of mistaken identify. The bouncer gets a split second to pick out someone causing trouble with the flashing lights and loud music and identifies the wrong person. Unfortunately most of the trouble makers have a habit of disappearing shortly after causing issues.

I wouldn't worry about it, go back next week smile at the bouncer make sure he catches your face(s) and you shouldn't have a issue.

(Golden rule always smile/chat to the bouncers in a queue waiting to get in, and no worries if something does happen.) It can also get you in faster when you face is known.

This got me out of trouble when a swissie took a swing at me in Red Rocks many eons ago (god knows why), people saw him take the swing and I responded.. The bouncers scrapped the guy off the floor asked me if I was ok and I returned to drinking my beer.
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As the Bouncer (seemed Turkish)

"You have to leave".
a) Why does this matter if he's greek, moroccan, or chinese? (Now who has the problem?)

b) This is not negotiable - Leave, smile and come back another time. Leave them the impression you are not causing trouble and he has the wrong man/girl.
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This seems sheer Racism to me.Opinions/Comments/Suggestions are most welcome!!
Sure. Your story is a bit confusing, but I'll give it a go:

- The bouncers let you, a group of Indians, into the bar and you are having a good time.
- Suddenly, your friend gets thrown out. I did not understand the entire shoe-lace thing to be honest.
- the bar is not exactly a neo-nazi place, but fairly international, including the bouncer.

Bottom line: If it was "racism", you and your friends would have never been allowed in, no? I am not saying that there are no racist bouncer in Switzerland, there are quite a lot of them... but your story simply does not make sense in that way. It has to be some misunderstanding of some sort and my theory would be: You guys had a decent amount of drinks. Your friend wants to close his soes in the middle of the bar. This looks to the bouncer as if he was about to puke and no bouncer wants his bar to get messy... so he guides him out quickly.

If you ever plan to have fun there again, don't try to fight your case as Catalyst described.
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Hi Friends,
Last week I saw something very strange thing happen in Irish Pub(Paddy's @ Heuwaage).
It was one of the usual overcrowded friday nights at Paddy's. Me and couple of my
friends were having drinks sitting right next to the bar on groundfloor (Paddy also
has a basement with a dance floor)
It was around 1am in the morning when I encountered this incident. Out of nowhere,
I saw one of my Indian acquaintances being pulled out by the Bouncer. He held him by the
sides and rushed him to the exit. Surprised, I rushed to the exit and as the Bouncer went back in,
I asked him what went wrong my friend. He said pointing to his shoe, he was just trying to hurry
up a bit through the crowd as his shoe lace got untied. He also mentioned he did not push anybody but
just wanted to get to a corner so he could tie his lace. He said the Bouncer did not hear
a thing and just pushed him out of the pub.

I consoled him saying we would try to get an answer for this behavior. So here I am posting and
sharing the experience!
This seems sheer Racism to me.Opinions/Comments/Suggestions are most welcome!!

Cheers,
Marsello.
Did he say "I'm chucking you out because you are Indian"? That would make it a racist incident.

Sounds like he was chucking him out because he appeared pissed up and a bit clumsy and maybe the bouncer was a bit overzealous.

Can't see from what you have written what exactly would make it racist.
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May I ask, that if you were sitting, why did your friend need to go to a corner to tie his lace? Surely he could have tied it where he was sitting?
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Acting anything other than politely toward people who are non-Caucasian is racism.
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Re: Never-Ending - Race of colors!!

A first Thread by a new member which is put in Complaints Corner puts my back up - however justified the complaint.

Please, join the Forum; fill in a profile (this guy/gal did, so I'm not getting at him/her here); write an Introduction; give us maybe a few tips if you've been around for a while; start an interesting Thread in some other part of the Forum; answer a question or two; then post your complaint. It makes it sound a lot more credible. Thanks.

(if you think this sounds unreasonable, maybe you should check out this sort of 'first thread, dramatic situation' over the past couple of years).
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