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Old 01.06.2011, 07:49
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6 year old says "bla bla bla" when daughter talks about God

Im not sure where to put this, is there a religious section here?

Im not really complaining in its full sense, but something my daughter told me yesterday kept me up last night.

My daughter is going to kindergarten and has a best friend. I say best friend because they both agree they like each other (after 3 months) very much and all they talk about is when my daughter is going to the friends house again and vice versa.

So the friend is Indian but raised here. She had lunch at our house one time and she is very nice and respectful. But yesterday my daughter told me that she was talking about God. Out of the blue she just makes statements like "all the things we see here, the nice things are made by god", very general stuff. The friend just went "blablablablabla". I know english as well as german speakers (the friend speaks both) say that.

Im sure this didnt happen just yesterday and she is still best friends with the girl. She was also bothered but i dont think she got hurt with it. Here´s what im worried about...Does this have to do with the friend´s being indian or is it her swiss upbringing? If the latter, should i warn my daughter to not talk about God?
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Old 01.06.2011, 07:52
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As they say, polite company never discusses politics or religion.

From my perspective, religion is never a valid subject outside the home unless both parties are expressly ok with it; there are too many conflicting opinions and it's a meme that evokes an unusually strong emotional sentiment in a lot of people.
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Old 01.06.2011, 07:57
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Re: 6 year old says "bla bla bla" when daughter talks about God

I assume at the friend's home they made some general reference about god or religion (probably not very special, just remarks) and the girl picked it up and went on speaking about it with her friend. I guess nothing much to worry about.

My husband's family is Catholic (active) and even if he is not that much into it, it's sometimes a normal subject. It's part of the culture. I'm not really an atheist, but my mind is not so religiously orientated, but still it's unavoidable to make a reference to religion or god in normal, daily life.

I lived in India and religion is seen as a life philosophy - not something you go by a book as e.g. the Bible.

Nothing to worry about, me thinks.
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Old 01.06.2011, 07:58
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Yes with grown ups that is. But we speak of 6year olds.

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As they say, polite company never discusses politics or religion.

From my perspective, religion is never a valid subject outside the home unless both parties are expressly ok with it; there are too many conflicting opinions and it's a meme that evokes an unusually strong emotional sentiment in a lot of people.
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Yes with grown ups that is. But we speak of 6year olds.
Sure, but she's asking if this is a nationality thing, and says her daughter wasn't hurt.

Doesn't sound like it's the kids' issue here to me.

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Old 01.06.2011, 08:10
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Im not sure where to put this, is there a religious section here?

Im not really complaining in its full sense, but something my daughter told me yesterday kept me up last night.

My daughter is going to kindergarten and has a best friend. I say best friend because they both agree they like each other (after 3 months) very much and all they talk about is when my daughter is going to the friends house again and vice versa.

So the friend is Indian but raised here. She had lunch at our house one time and she is very nice and respectful. But yesterday my daughter told me that she was talking about God. Out of the blue she just makes statements like "all the things we see here, the nice things are made by god", very general stuff. The friend just went "blablablablabla". I know english as well as german speakers (the friend speaks both) say that.

Im sure this didnt happen just yesterday and she is still best friends with the girl. She was also bothered but i dont think she got hurt with it. Here´s what im worried about...Does this have to do with the friend´s being indian or is it her swiss upbringing? If the latter, should i warn my daughter to not talk about God?
It most likely is the MIX. The girl, whose parents most likely are not Christians, already has realized the relativity of religious beliefs. To say that "all things are made by God" may be OK with Jews, Christians and Muslims but is not say with NON-monotheistic religions anyway. And for the young girl of Indian origin is just a weird statement
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Out of the blue she just makes statements like "all the things we see here, the nice things are made by god", very general stuff. The friend just went "blablablablabla". I know english as well as german speakers (the friend speaks both) say that.
Put the shoe on the other foot. Why worry about where the Indian girl picked up "bla bla bla"? Think also about where your daughter picked up "God" made all the pretty things for our enjoyment. If I was a Hindu parent trying to teach my children my faith, I'd be just as upset towards your daughter as you are towards the Indian girl.

I cannot speak to the "is it because she's Indian or Swiss upbringing... but what I can relate to is how the Indian girl may have felt. "bla bla bla" is what I would like to say, too, especially with the majority of holidays in Switzerland centered on Christianity. To me it's just a day off of work when everything closes (such a pain). To Christians, maybe these holidays mean something more?

I think what is important is not to dissect whose religion is right, or whether religious apathy is to blame, but rather to embrace it as a learning experience for both children (and their parents) objectively to learn about each others' faiths (or lack there of).

Remember... Hinduism is the world's oldest living religion. And from Hinduism sprang Buddhism. And it is believed that Christ, a Jew, was a student of Buddha. There are more commonalities between Eastern and Western faiths than many practitioners realize.
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Put the shoe on the other foot. Why worry about where the Indian girl picked up "bla bla bla"? Think also about where your daughter picked up "God" made all the pretty things for our enjoyment. If I was a Hindu parent trying to teach my children my faith, I'd be just as upset towards your daughter as you are towards the Indian girl.

I cannot speak to the "is it because she's Indian or Swiss upbringing... but what I can relate to is how the Indian girl may have felt. "bla bla bla" is what I would like to say, too, especially with the majority of holidays in Switzerland centered on Christianity. To me it's just a day off of work when everything closes (such a pain). To Christians, maybe these holidays mean something more?

I think what is important is not to dissect whose religion is right, or whether religious apathy is to blame, but rather to embrace it as a learning experience for both children (and their parents) objectively to learn about each others' faiths (or lack there of).

Remember... Hinduism is the world's oldest living religion. And from Hinduism sprang Buddhism. And it is believed that Christ, a Jew, was a student of Buddha. There are more commonalities between Eastern and Western faiths than many practitioners realize.

Im not upset with anyone, just to be clear. And for me this IS an issue with kids, if i should teach my 6 year old to keep the "god talk" at home or if i just let her judge and learn from it.

This post is not about whose religion is right either. I come from a very catholic country (but im protestant) so it is very different from here. I know about hinduism and such but i dont know the attitude of the swiss environment towards what my daughter is doing. Being open about our beliefs. Id like to know if this will get her in trouble in school or what.
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Im not upset with anyone, just to be clear. And for me this IS an issue with kids, if i should teach my 6 year old to keep the "god talk" at home or if i just let her judge and learn from it.

This post is not about whose religion is right either. I come from a very catholic country (but im protestant) so it is very different from here. I know about hinduism and such but i dont know the attitude of the swiss environment towards what my daughter is doing. Being open about our beliefs. Id like to know if this will get her in trouble in school or what.
Apologies for misunderstanding.
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Old 01.06.2011, 08:35
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I know about hinduism and such but i dont know the attitude of the swiss environment towards what my daughter is doing. Being open about our beliefs. Id like to know if this will get her in trouble in school or what.
It's very uncommon here to the point of being frowned upon. If you want to kill a conversation make a comment like that. Religion is strictly private here and people don't talk about their religion, with the exception of young people who want to know if their friends are catholic or protestant, which is completely irrelevant in CH and quickly forgotten anyway. I don't even know the religion of some of my friends, altough I could probably make an educated guess. So it might be better if you tell your daughter to keep the God talk at home, or better even, let her discover religion for herself? A 6year old will likely just parrot what her mother says, so "bla bla bla" seems like the only sensible reaction anyway to me, no offence meant.
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Im not upset with anyone, just to be clear. And for me this IS an issue with kids, if i should teach my 6 year old to keep the "god talk" at home or if i just let her judge and learn from it.

This post is not about whose religion is right either. I come from a very catholic country (but im protestant) so it is very different from here. I know about hinduism and such but i dont know the attitude of the swiss environment towards what my daughter is doing. Being open about our beliefs. Id like to know if this will get her in trouble in school or what.
You've already gotten your answer.

And protestant/catholic is very different from Christianity/anything else.
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Depends where you live.

In Zurich it's more a neutral approach, this subject is more a discussion of ethics in general (religion is kept at home so to say). In some "catholic" cantons (Lucerne or Innerschweiz in general), religion is quite incorporated in society, culture and daily life (e.g. schools as well). But as mentioned only the major religion in their part of the world (christianity). I did not made the experience that they are THAT open minded towards other religion.




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"blablabla" would have been my answer age 6 as well. Who wants to talk about concepts the adults made up when there's far more fun things to be doing. If you don't teach your daughter that God isn't a "universal fact/belief" but rather just "what we believe" she'll have an incredibly hard time outside of staunchly and Christian countries (which this actually isn't, in spite of Church memberships*). The former is incredibly culturally arrogant and will rightly land her in hot water.



*by this I mean that even most people who go to Church regularly are probably agnostic.
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Depends where you live.

In Zurich it's more a neutral approach, this subject is more a discussion of ethics in general (religion is kept at home so to say). In some "catholic" cantons (Lucerne or Innerschweiz in general), religion is quite incorporated in society, culture and daily life (e.g. schools as well). But as mentioned only the major religion in their part of the world (christianity). I did not made the experience that they are THAT open minded towards other religion.
I think you're partially incorrect here armandair. Altough catholic and more traditional places in Switzerland place a higher importance on religion it is not discussed in public, with friends or outside of a deep talk. I suspect that's a remnant of the religious wars here in CH which deeply divided Protestants and Catholics for a while but religion or God comments aren't small talk topics anywhere in Switzerland and will likely alienate others, religious or not. Christianity here is a very quiet religion. And just as a reference, I am originally from a small village in Lucerne.
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Im not upset with anyone, just to be clear. And for me this IS an issue with kids, if i should teach my 6 year old to keep the "god talk" at home or if i just let her judge and learn from it.
Both. Life's about learning. HTH.
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"blablabla" would have been my answer age 6 as well. Who wants to talk about concepts the adults made up when there's far more fun things to be doing. If you don't teach your daughter that God isn't a "universal fact/belief" but rather just "what we believe" she'll have an incredibly hard time outside of staunchly and Christian countries (which this actually isn't, in spite of Church memberships*). The former is incredibly culturally arrogant and will rightly land her in hot water.



*by this I mean that even most people who go to Church regularly are probably agnostic.
Bla bla bla is my answer at 40 But what do I know...

I wouldn't instruct your daughter not to speak about God outside of the home rather teach her to expect responses similar to the one listed on your original post. I would have thought that would be a better way round the issue. Respect everyones views and learn from them.
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Agreed. I think religion is part of a culture, rather than a science of comparison. E.g. if you grew up in Japan, India, Switzerland, US, other parts of the world, you are defined by this.

As such religion is not more or less than a family tradition. Like festivities or standardized family meetings/reunions.

I'm not bringing up my kids in a certain religious belief, as it seems sort of wrong (for my personal understanding), but I'm sure I cannot avoid, kids asking questions about it or seeing how their class mates are speaking about it.

After some long thought I came to the conclusion that religion is not offering any answers, that philosophy cannot provide.

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"blablabla" would have been my answer age 6 as well. Who wants to talk about concepts the adults made up when there's far more fun things to be doing. If you don't teach your daughter that God isn't a "universal fact/belief" but rather just "what we believe" she'll have an incredibly hard time outside of staunchly and Christian countries (which this actually isn't, in spite of Church memberships*). The former is incredibly culturally arrogant and will rightly land her in hot water.



*by this I mean that even most people who go to Church regularly are probably agnostic.
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...it is not discussed in public, with friends or outside of a deep talk...
Is "deep" secret code or a synonym for "drunk"?
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Now to make my worry more specific, is there any rule (written or unwritten) in schools here that obligates me to tell my daughter to not talk about our beliefs in school except during Religion class?
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Out of the blue she just makes statements like "all the things we see here, the nice things are made by god", very general stuff. The friend just went "blablablablabla".
So, the friend is smarter than your daughter. Concerning talking about religion: Religion is considered a private thing, and people don't want to be bothered with others' religious views, i.e.: do not talk about religion outside church or religious classes. Any attempt to do so, especially if done by someone of your kind, will be seen as an attempt to evangelize.
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