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Old 07.06.2011, 14:21
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HTFU Fluffehs

For what its worth, my dog is at the bottom of the family hierachy. Yes, they are dogs. They dont talk back or communicate like children do. They have fur, and 4 legs. They are simply animals.

As a dog lover, I am well aware of that fact. However, that doesnt mean that in times of crisis, it is disposable. I think Kittster's beef is simply with owners who dont try "hard enough" in order to accomodate their pets into their new circumstances. Getting a divorce, and no time to look after your pet? Rehome? Want to move to a bigger apartment but it doesnt take pets? Rehome? - there are other options and as long as you've showed that you've taken reasonable steps to explore them, no one is going to judge you for your choices. And if they do, feck em.

Lots of threads rehoming animals have appeared before on EF and some of them have met with outrage but there are some who've been met with utmost sympathy and lots of offers of a helping hand from fellow pet owners. Again, "hard enough" is subjective and thats where differing opinions surface, as next to religion, politics, children (and smoking), pets is an emotive topic.
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Old 07.06.2011, 14:24
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a pet is a member of the family
I view them more as an emergency food supply!

(cats are popular around here, and dogs up north, rabbits pretty much anywhere, maybe we should get a horse!)

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Re: "I'm moving to a new place within Switzerland - sentient being to give away"

First of all - I do think if you've got a pet, then it is for life. Some animals will develop a strong emotional attachment to their owners. Others won't. I'm fairly sure that most cats are in that category. They don't give a toss so long as you can work a can opener.
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Sentimental twaddle.
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Which is worse, giving away or selling your offspring? I believe parting with them should be the last resort.
You clearly have never had teenagers.

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Old 07.06.2011, 15:09
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Sometimes you need to do what is best for the pet. You may find yourself in a situation or a lifestyle that is more stressful for the animal than re-homing.

Even though there are some who give up too easily (this is just a more common and prevalent modern human trait) - we should not be too quick to judge....Sometimes it's just best for the animal.
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As the proud former owner of a rescue dog I have to say that pets do survive rehoming and in many cases the new home is the best option for the animal. Of course I would agree that a pet should be for life but circumstances do change and sometimes the best thing for the pet is to find a new owner who can devote the time, love & energy required.
I agree. As a pet owner (like myself), it's easy to get on your high horse. So I won't. Personally I don't lose any sleep over the people who, for whatever reason, have decided that the only option is to give up their pet but spend their time and energy doing their best to find it a suitable new home. It's the folks who abuse their pets or simply abandon their animals that get my goat since that usually ends up being a death sentence.

On a point of order perhaps the thread title "Pet trading post" isn't the best.
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First of all - I do think if you've got a pet, then it is for life. Some animals will develop a strong emotional attachment to their owners. Others won't. I'm fairly sure that most cats are in that category. They don't give a toss so long as you can work a can opener.
My dad's cat (formerly the neighbours' cat) gets very nervous when he leaves with any kind of package/luggage and actually lies in it or removes items to delay departure. Basically my dad put him back together after several fights the cat got into and his owner wouldn't have even taken him to the vet. So he moved house and is VERY attached to my father. Follows him around, talks to him, and so on.

But there are definitely quite a few cats around who couldn't care less, not as many as most people think though...
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I agree. As a pet owner (like myself), it's easy to get on your high horse. So I won't. Personally I don't lose any sleep over the people who, for whatever reason, have decided that the only option is to give up their pet but spend their time and energy doing their best to find it a suitable new home. It's the folks who abuse their pets or simply abandon their animals that get my goat since that usually ends up being a death sentence.

On a point of order perhaps the thread title "Pet trading post" isn't the best.
You said it better than I did
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Old 07.06.2011, 15:15
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Re: "I'm moving to a new place within Switzerland - sentient being to give away"

I have to agree, the dog we rescued was abandoned by it's owner. She was in a bad way & it cost us hundreds to make her well again after which she became a fantastic pet that we had until she died of old age. I would much rather see owners look for a good home than have a dog end up like ours did before we found her.

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I agree. As a pet owner (like myself), it's easy to get on your high horse. So I won't. Personally I don't lose any sleep over the people who, for whatever reason, have decided that the only option is to give up their pet but spend their time and energy doing their best to find it a suitable new home. It's the folks who abuse their pets or simply abandon their animals that get my goat since that usually ends up being a death sentence.
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Re: "I'm moving to a new place within Switzerland - sentient being to give away"

Our cat is familiar to multiple houses - the flat in Zurich, the house in the mountains, the house in the south and the MIL's house.

When we moved she was shipped to MIL's house and will be collect at the end of June - 3 months after (or so) after moving there.

In that time we have been away on holiday 3 times - and stayig at the MIL's is not only cheaper - but also a lot less stressful for her - she really is not a big fan of the Hermitage - even though it is a fantastic place.
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My dad's cat... is VERY attached to my father. Follows him around, talks to him, and so on.
Yep, cats will bond if you know how to build a relationship with them. Our British Shorthairs were very strongly attached to my wife. Maybe it's a feature of that breed, I don't know. Our last one lived for nineteen years. When we took the dogs for a walk across the fields by the house she used to tag along. She used to come when called as well - but only by my wife. Never me or the kids.

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But there are definitely quite a few cats around who couldn't care less, not as many as most people think though...
Yes, you should never generalize. There's no such thing as "dogs" or "cats". Only individual animals. How far they bond depends on the breed, genetics, the individual's personality, the environment, the attitude of the pet owner, whether they're a sole pet or one which lives with other dogs or cats, whether they're working animals or just companions, perhaps the animal's sex etc..etc.

Just as an aside on whether dogs are "household pets" or "family members", it depends on whose perspective we're talking about. No dog, even a companion dog, will ever see itself as a pet. Whatever we think, dogs will see the family as their pack. And being on the bottom rung of the family hierarchy isn't necessarily all bad. All the our dogs have seemed quite content not to be "top dog".

As far as our family goes, through the eyes of our dogs, my wife has always been the alpha of the pack.
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I have been looking for a flat in Geneva for a year now. In my head I need a place on the ground floor with lots of trees etc. for the cat. Which are few and far between.

I would hate to have to give him away, and I know he would hate to be enclosed in a flat on the sixth floor. But, for me, I have to make a decision. I just hope that the pearl of a flat will come my way and we can live happily together.

Giving him up will break my heart, but he would be happier in the long run. And live the rest of his life free and able to climb trees and do his silly cat things without being closed up all day.

Where I am now he has his ladder to go out and all my neighbours know him and ring my doorbell when he comes in. Its actually made me friends with some neighbours, which doesn't happen often here.

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Re: "I'm moving to a new place within Switzerland - sentient being to give away"

This is a very emotive issue. I am absolutely sure that no loving pet owner would give up their pet unless they absolutely had to. It happened to me ... it broke my heart and I still think about and miss my adorable cat.

A recent poster is giving her cat up for adoption. However, it is not only due to the fact they are moving apartments, but also because the cat has started attacking her baby ...
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It's f-ing too emotional for me. But if it has to be done.... He is my life and my best mate.
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A recent poster is giving her cat up for adoption. However, it is not only due to the fact they are moving apartments, but also because the cat has started attacking her baby ...
Personally, I would have engaged the services of an animal behavioural expert to try and work through the situation.

If it really still doesnt work, I'll pay for someone to look after him. He will still be my cat, but just doesnt live with me. Sorta like sending a naughty child off to boarding school and seeing them only during the holidays

But hey, different strokes for different folks.
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Personally, I would have engaged the services of an animal behavioural expert to try and work through the situation.

If it really still doesnt work, I'll pay for someone to look after him. He will still be my cat, but just doesnt live with me. Sorta like sending a naughty child off to boarding school and seeing them only during the holidays

But hey, different strokes for different folks.
You do have a point, but that takes time (during which the baby is made vulnerable), and money. People have to make sensible, considered decisions in whatever circumstances they are faced with.

That said, I now devote my free time to a local animal charity, which I find very rewarding.
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While for me, this is my own feelings on the matter as well, my furry family members are just as much my family as any other member, I know that it is not like that for everyone.

A friend of mine used to question me upon every meeting about why my dog was allowed to stay inside all the time, in his view the dog should have been kept outside pretty much all the time. I don't like to think about it but my father was the same way, at least when we were kids. He hadn't the time or inclination to bother with house training our dog(s) so they tended to be tied up out back rather than be a part of the family.

Meanwhile, no matter what someone's own personal feelings are, sometimes they have to rely upon others for what happens in their life, just like me with my dog now. I had to rely upon too many people helping me get here and none of them view my dog the same as I do - not even my husband. So, I am here, she is there... I'm sure I'm not the only one who has had to relinquish control for some reason and wind up being separated from a well loved pet.
I often wondered why people got pets if they didn't want them to be members of the family. What is the purpose of investing in a dog if it is to be tied to a stake in the backyard and never loved?

I can understand better attitdues towards keeping pets in certain conditions when they are acquired to perform work. E.g. a cat to keep mice out of the barn, or a dog to heard sheep. Even some people with working animals do regard them as members of the family.

In my own circumstances, my dogs are my family. If faced with a circumstance where I had to move without a choice, and the only options were housing that didn't allow them, then I would look further away or find somewhere temporary until something came available. Regardless, there is nothing that is coming between me and my pets.
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