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Regardless, there is nothing that is coming between me and my pets.
I agree with this sentiment. However, what if there is a baby or small child at risk from an overly possessive pet?
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I agree with this sentiment. However, what if there is a baby or small child at risk from an overly possessive pet?
I see it as a training issue. Just like when the older sibling gets jealous of the new baby, we still have to work through the changes together. Cats and dogs will also get jealous and/or possessive if there's a new pet added, or even if you're a single person and you have a new boyfriend/girlfriend over.

If cat is attacking baby, then working through it is an option. It will take more energy and investment than would relinquishing the cat, and while sending the trouble maker away does solve the problem quickly, I think we all agree that keeping the entire family together is what counts.

There are animal trainers available for consultation and some that specialize in cats, I would like to believe. Some who probably even know a thing or two about working through "cat doesn't like baby" issues. If it was my cat, I would owe it to him/her to at least exhaust all of these options before throwing in the towel.
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I see it as a training issue. Just like when the older sibling gets jealous of the new baby, we still have to work through the changes together. Cats and dogs will also get jealous and/or possessive if there's a new pet added, or even if you're a single person and you have a new boyfriend/girlfriend over.

If cat is attacking baby, then working through it is an option. It will take more energy and investment than would relinquishing the cat, and while sending the trouble maker away does solve the problem quickly, I think we all agree that keeping the entire family together is what counts.

There are animal trainers available for consultation and some that specialize in cats, I would like to believe. Some who probably even know a thing or two about working through "cat doesn't like baby" issues. If it was my cat, I would owe it to him/her to at least exhaust all of these options before throwing in the towel.
Again, all very lovely in principle but, sadly, reality is often somewhat different. Apart from the time and energy involved in training a wayward pet, not everyone has the necessary resources to do that.

Personally, I had to make an extremely difficult decision where my own cat was concerned. However, at the end of the day I realised that her quality of life would have been signicantly reduced had I chosen to take her abroad with me. Not an easy decision, I can assure you, but I had to do what I felt was best for her.
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Again, all very lovely in principle but, sadly, reality is often somewhat different. ...not everyone has the necessary resources to do that.

Personally, I had to make an extremely difficult decision where my own cat was concerned. However, at the end of the day I realised that her quality of life would have been signicantly reduced
...I understand 100%.
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Not sure what you are at, but at my local COOP I just had a look a poster with one trying to find a good home for their four puppies. I think that's the most normal thing in the world... you can keep a dog, but most likely not five of them. If somebody is not selling them with profit but the well-being of the dogs in mind, I think thats totally ok.
Once, perhaps - but twice a year, for ever? Please get you dogs and cats speyed. One cat can breed 1000s in a lifetime otherwise. Please.

Our cats and dogs have all been part of the family - for life- and yet definitely treated as animals not pseudo people. All rescued from the most tragic of circumstances - I couldn't buy a dog when there are so many needing good homes. And all mongrels - they normally live much longer and healthier lives and are generally much brighter.
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Re: "I'm moving to a new place within Switzerland - sentient being to give away"

Anyone who has been involved in rescue work - in any country, in any capacity - has seen that today's 'disposable society' is a large part of the reason why homeless pets die. Too many pets are taken on without much thought, and then given up without much thought.

Are there situations where it is necessary to rehome a pet? Yes.

Are there situations where rehoming is in the best interest of the pet? Yes again.

Are these the reasons why the majority of pets found themselves in shelters? No - not by a long shot.

My experience in 20-some years of rescue work has been that many pets are given up simply because the owners did not go into pet ownership with the understanding that they are now responsible for the life of a sentient being, nor with the understanding of what that commitment entails. So when the going got tough - Fido was the first to go. Often without any attempt made to find an alternative solution, and often without a thought. And sadly,'society' all too often validates that attitude.

We need a change of attitude. We need the average person to understand that pet ownership is indeed a serious commitment.

Flawed as it is, Switzerland is on the right track with the SKN theory course mandated before acquiring a pet. Hopefully the course will prompt prospective owners to do some soul searching, to help them understand the magnitude of what they are getting into, to ask themselves if they are truly prepared to take this step.

No one is asking parents to choose between pets and children - that would be unthinkable. But if you have children, if you have family commitments that take precedence, if your nomadic career means that moving a pet is difficult, if you have any potential conflicts - please ask yourself if you are really ready for pet ownership at this time.

Ittigen hit the nail on the head here:

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I often go to the dogs' home at Ober-Bottingen and take the "Resident" dogs out for a walk. They all enjoy leaving for a walk, and they all enjoy returning back to the home. I do this as I cannot promise a new dog a good life, forever and ever. http://www.bernertierschutz.ch/index.php?id=9
This is the way it should be. If one cannot, hand on heart, say that one will take care of one's pet, come what may - one should not get a pet at this time. Wait until life has settled, or wait until one has the resources to ride out the bumps along the road.

And while waiting for that time to come, volunteer work like Ittigen does, or perhaps simply helping out a neighbor are good ways to get's one's 'pet fix'.

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Education is the way forward. If the majority went into pet ownership with a full understanding of their new responsibilities, if owners knew where to turn for support when they hit the bumps in the road, the cases where rehoming truly is the only answer would be more easily dealt with.

If we can change the 'disposable society' attitude, think how many fewer pets would land in shelters. Which means that scarce resources would not be stretched so thin, which means that fewer pets would die.

We need a fundamental attitude change.
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No one is asking parents to choose between pets and children - that would be unthinkable. But if you have children, if you have family commitments that take precedence, if your nomadic career means that moving a pet is difficult, if you have any potential conflicts - please ask yourself if you are really ready for pet ownership at this time.
This is our situation.

8 years ago, I moved from my home country with my 2 cats and my dog to Istanbul. I was excited to live a new experience and I wouldn't have go if I wouldn't have been able to bring them with me.

My dog died tragically there.

When I got married and move in with my husband, cats came with me (he wasn't excited about the idea but it was non-negociable). Eventually hubby felt in love with them. And we moved all together to Switzerland.

I gave birth to my daughter and one of the cat (the youngest) didn't like it at all. I tried my best but she refused to be a part of this new addition of the family and spend the first year of my daughter's life hiding during the day. It wasn't a nice way to live for her and she became agressive.

So I took the hard decision to find a new home for her. She became the queen of that new home very fast and she is very very happy. They take great care of her. I just wish I could have more news from her...

My oldest cat never had a problem with moving, or being send to someone for cat sitting. She always been the cool easy going cat. So when baby number one came, she was her guard. Sitting next to her and keeping an eye on her.

It is not a surprise she is now doing the same with baby number two.

It is her 10th house and 4th country. She has been with many diffenrent people before me and with many others while with me (sitters, flatmates, etc).

She is never stressed about moving, never stressed about new situations. She fits perfectly with our lifestyle.

She is old and doesn't have much longer, few years pershaps. After her, I won't take an other pet. Because I believe she is a very rare kind and not many pets will be so easy going with our Gypsy kind of life.

I'll miss her when she'll be gone. I can't think about it without getting tears.
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Re: "I'm moving to a new place within Switzerland - sentient being to give away"

Lovely words Nil.
I would have done the same. As difficult as it is, I would have given away a pet that could not cope with a new baby.
I love my cats (and various animals I've had in my ménagerie ) but children are first and I would have been wary to have a non-accepting pet around a baby.
Didn't happen for me, I had a few years break between kitties and got mine as wee kittens when my kiddo was a toddler.
They were raised all together
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We never know how our circumstances are going to turn out when we get a pet. Jimmy is 11 years old now and has been with me since he was around 6 months old - he moved in from a neighbours!! They didn't want him because they thought he was a female until his balls dropped!!

I am trying my hardest to find a flat which suits his needs. Everyone knows how hard it is to find accommodation in Geneva. If only I could win the lottery and be able to buy a house with a garden.... Or meet a rich man.... with a house and a garden!!
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This is why I would always recommend the purchase of a rabbit as a pet: if one's circumstances change, one can always eat the little bugger and be done with the problem.

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Re: "I'm moving to a new place within Switzerland - sentient being to give away"

Just an FYI I thought people might find interesting about apartment lease agreements. I just sat down to go over my rental contract for the new apartment, with particularly close attention to the pet addendum.

In one of the last sections it says:

"Aus wichtigen Gründen kann der Vermieter unter Einhaltung einer Frist von zwei Monaten durch eingeschriebenen Brief dem Mieter die Genehmigung zur Heimtierhaltung entziehen, und der Mieter hat innerhalb dieser Frist sein Heimtier an einen neuen, geeigneten Platz ausserhalb des Mietobjekts zu bringen."

Basically... the landlord can, on good cause, give a two month, written notice that the renter has to get rid of the pets. I crossed out the last half of that paragraph and wrote in, instead of getting rid of the pet, "terminate the entire lease agreement."

There's no way I'm signing something agreeing that I will get rid of my pets and keep an obligation to the landlord. Whether or not my changes will be accepted has yet to be seen.
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