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Sarwat Nomani 17.06.2011 11:53

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If you can see me running towards the tram....With a toddler running besides me....AND a baby in the pram...and i first get to a door without pram access(with stairs)...and i get to the next door which has pram access......you make sure the doors are shut right then...even though the tram stood there for 5 more seconds...it was humiliating...there was no misunderstanding the Tram driver didnt want us in...racist *******.
I was fuming but strangely I didnt know how to react then...but now I can think of a few things to yell at him!! :msnmad:

Carlos R 17.06.2011 11:58

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Shit happens. Don't tar them all with the same brush; some you'll win, some you'll lose. It does help, of course, if you are young and female aged 18-25-ish :rolleyes:

jrspet 17.06.2011 11:59

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I have seen this happen to other parts in CH, and has occurred to people of many ethnicities, and I do not think it boils down to alleged racism, perhaps the drivers have a schedule to maintain, given the efficiency of the public transport system. In most parts, having missed one tram means a short wait of no more than a few minutes.

Mud 17.06.2011 12:04

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I understand your frustration, but calling someone of a different race racist for doing something that displeases you is, well, racist :msntongue:.

Guest 17.06.2011 12:04

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To be honest he's probably thought "Oh god, a mother with toddler and pram - that's going to take an age to load onto the tram and will set my schedule back. Quick lock the doors and go!"

Equally wrong but I don't think it was a case of racism.

Why is it when something bad happens to someone - the first thought is that it's down to attitudes towards the colour of their skin... :confused:

What can I blame it on when the same shit happens to me?

TheWolverine 17.06.2011 12:04

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Originally Posted by Sarwat Nomani (Post 1231063)
...it was humiliating...racist

Don't take it personally. They have a job to do and a schedule to keep.
Sometimes they can afford to wait, sometimes not.
Its nothing personal, just luck, I guess.

And certainly nothing racist.

mirfield 17.06.2011 12:04

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Been there. It's frustrating, but it's just one of those things. (I've learned not to chase trams).

Drivers are on a schedule and if you start waiting then someone else comes along, then another, and so on.

Even if it's a single tram route, there'll be another along in seven minutes.

Take a breath, sing your kiddies a little song and you'll be on the next tram before you know it. :)

bigblue2 17.06.2011 12:07

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To be honest he's probably thought "Oh god, a mother with toddler and pram - that's going to take an age to load onto the tram and will set my schedule back. Quick lock the doors and go!"

Equally wrong but I don't think it was a case of racism.

Why is it when something bad happens to someone - the first thought is that it's down to attitudes towards the colour of their skin... :confused:

What can I blame it on when the same shit happens to me?

http://feminocracy.files.wordpress.c...8/racecard.gif

ETA - Just a joke btw, tram / bus drivers the world over can be pretty petty

adrianlondon 17.06.2011 12:08

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Are you sure you weren't in Zurich? Sounds like a Zurich thing to me ;)

Anyway, not sure why you think it's racist. Maybe the driver just thought, as you went up to one set of doors and decided not to get on, that you actually wanted a different tram. Or maybe he was late. Or maybe he just didn't pay much attention. Or maybe the pram area you then went to was very full. Or maybe he didn't like the look of you. Or maybe he was racist.

Carlos R 17.06.2011 12:08

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Originally Posted by ashishshah (Post 1231077)
...They have a job to do and a schedule to keep.
Sometimes they can afford to wait, sometimes not...

Depends a lot if there is a junction/signal involved (in my experience/opinion).

If there isn't then they can usually wait for the odd straggler. If however, they are waiting for a light, once they've push the "go" button, they can't then re-open the doors for a straggler, as the light might change at any moment.

This has lead to the odd situation where the tram is waiting a full 30-40 seconds for the light to change and the straggler is left there waiting by the door, wondering why the driver isn't letting them on.

Guest 17.06.2011 12:09

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Tram driver's departure routine:

1. Make sure everyone is clear of the doors.
2. Close the doors.
3. Power up the warp drive (or whatever they call it).
4. Check to see it's safe to move.
5. Release the brakes.
6. Drive forward.

= 5 seconds.

When you're on a tight schedule, those 5 seconds make an enormous difference.

It's frustrating, though, when you have the doors slammed in your face.

TheWolverine 17.06.2011 12:12

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Originally Posted by Carlos R (Post 1231087)
Depends a lot if there is a junction/signal involved (in my experience/opinion).

If there isn't then they can usually wait for the odd straggler. If however, they are waiting for a light, once they've push the "go" button, they can't then re-open the doors for a straggler, as the light might change at any moment.

This has lead to the odd situation where the tram is waiting a full 30-40 seconds for the light to change and the straggler is left there waiting by the door, wondering why the driver isn't letting them on.

In my experience, bus and tram drivers have been quite helpful when they see someone rushing to catch the bus/tram. And if they can wait, light or not, they do.

But yes, once the doors are closed and the lights on the side of the tram start to blink, the doors won't open again.

As a principle, I almost never run to catch a train/tram/bus unless I really really really have to. There will be another one coming along shortly.

The Real Stig 17.06.2011 12:12

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I feel bad for you but will also tell you that I've seen full pregnant women half running, half walking fast to the tram and have seen the tram pull away while the driver sees them running towards them. Same with old people, white, brown, black etc... It's one of those things you should take in your stride.. Flip the driver a bird when your kids are not watching and move on..

It's too little to get upset about and ruin your day.. Cheer up... for every bad (your description of bad) tram driver you find.. you'll find 5 other good ones.

Slow down, take it easy! :D

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Originally Posted by Sarwat Nomani (Post 1231063)
If you can see me running towards the tram....With a toddler running besides me....AND a baby in the pram...and i first get to a door without pram access(with stairs)...and i get to the next door which has pram access......you make sure the doors are shut right then...even though the tram stood there for 5 more seconds...it was humiliating...there was no misunderstanding the Tram driver didnt want us in...racist *******.
I was fuming but strangely I didnt know how to react then...but now I can think of a few things to yell at him!! :msnmad:


Slaphead 17.06.2011 12:15

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I can't count the number of times I've been running full pelt up the steps from Zürich HB only to have the tram doors close on me when I'm less than 2 metres away. Those tram drivers are baldist I tell ya ;)

Chill. It happens to everyone. Sometimes the driver is a "by the book" type and will only wait for exactly the specific alloted time before the doors are closed. Others are a bit more flexible. Nothing to worry about, or get upset about.

AbFab 17.06.2011 12:16

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The schedules are so tight with our local buses that the drivers no longer issue tickets (though the machines are still there). Instead they had out a card to would be paying passengers explaining the situation and stamp on the gas...

NotAllThere 17.06.2011 12:17

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To be honest he's probably thought "Oh god, a mother with toddler and pram - that's going to take an age to load onto the tram and will set my schedule back. Quick lock the doors and go!"...
Or maybe he thought.

"Hmm, that mother with toddler and pram want to board, but I've got a tram load of people who're expecting me to move away on time. Best put the majority requirement first".

BLT and BVB drivers were instructed not so long ago to wait for stragglers. This policy was cancelled, when they started getting complaints about missing connections, late trams. It's a balance.

Even after they've locked the doors, the drivers can open the one at the front. But that's no good for anyone with a pram. At some point the tram has got to pull away. Unless it's the last tram, whats the problem with waiting for the next one?

mabern 17.06.2011 12:19

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Used to happen to me a lot in Zurich. The drivers were usually of my "race" though not my nationality... They really do stick to their schedule, hence trams run on time. I used to walk-a lot-to avoid this happening. I also lived close to the end stop so I'd go there to have extra time to get the pram on. Very stressful, but part of life in Zuri.

selimhan 17.06.2011 12:30

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Sarwat Nomani (Post 1231063)
If you can see me running towards the tram....With a toddler running besides me....AND a baby in the pram...and i first get to a door without pram access(with stairs)...and i get to the next door which has pram access......you make sure the doors are shut right then...even though the tram stood there for 5 more seconds...it was humiliating...there was no misunderstanding the Tram driver didnt want us in...racist *******.
I was fuming but strangely I didnt know how to react then...but now I can think of a few things to yell at him!! :msnmad:

which tram was it?

*Whindian* 17.06.2011 12:35

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Granted, it's frustrating, and we all curse and scorn the person who is driving the dang thing...but look at it this way, if you were driving in your car, and you seem to hit every red light down the street - you wouldn't call the traffic light a racist (or maybe you would?). Unfortunately, we think that just because there is a face behind that wheel (or mechanism) we have a right to have them be sensitive to people rather than time.

Be it Zurich or Basel or any other canton, it's happened to us all whose lived more than 3 days here, have a beer, do meditation or whatever gets you through those stressful, but unavoidable instances and smile, there's worse things that he could have done (like laughed at you while he was pulling away...)

runningdeer 17.06.2011 13:34

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It is also a safety issue in my view. I think it was probably better and safer for you 3 to miss the tram rather than get caught in it.

Just yesterday in Vevey a teacher with a bunch of students had her arm stuck in the train door and got taken with the train to the next stop, by miracle she survived. Story here if you are interested, in french--http://www.24heures.ch/vaud-regions/actu/vevey-enseignante-fait-emporter-train-devant-eleves-2011-06-16

grumpygrapefruit 17.06.2011 13:59

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Originally Posted by mirfield (Post 1231078)
Been there. It's frustrating, but it's just one of those things. (I've learned not to chase trams).

Drivers are on a schedule and if you start waiting then someone else comes along, then another, and so on.

Even if it's a single tram route, there'll be another along in seven minutes.

Take a breath, sing your kiddies a little song and you'll be on the next tram before you know it. :)

An Englishman should never run for a tram, train or bus. It is so undignified.

(OK, I did it once whilst soggy but the occasion had a happy ending)

Britters2000 17.06.2011 14:00

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Mmm don't think it was racist..... it was mean but I do agree with all the "keeping to schedule" etc comments. You know the Swissies and their time-keeping :rolleyes:

I don't use the trams very often, actually, not at all these days really. Can't stand the crowds and the smell of stale breath!! Yukko!

One of my most :msnmad: moments, when I had only the tram to travel around Basel and get to work, was when I ran (in those days I could run pretty fast, obviously not fast enough in this case) for the tram and watched a guy watching me as the tram door closed, he grinned at me, his finger hovering over the button and then, with the same hand, he waved at me and I was left to watch the tram move away without me! Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr!!!! I didn't wish anything bad for him.... just the worst ever!!:mad:. Promptly learnt to drive and have never looked back!

summerrain 17.06.2011 14:00

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Sarwat Nomani (Post 1231063)
If you can see me running towards the tram....With a toddler running besides me....AND a baby in the pram...and i first get to a door without pram access(with stairs)...and i get to the next door which has pram access......you make sure the doors are shut right then...even though the tram stood there for 5 more seconds...it was humiliating...there was no misunderstanding the Tram driver didnt want us in...racist *******.
I was fuming but strangely I didnt know how to react then...but now I can think of a few things to yell at him!! :msnmad:

Playing the race card? Really? Like seriously? :rolleyes: Dont even get me started on the number of times people have kept the door opened for this Asian when they've seen me running.

Logically speaking, can you imagine the chaos it will cause if all tram drivers stop and wait whenever they see someone running towards them? No more Swiss transport efficiency I tell you, and god knows how many people will pop an artery (me included).

Now if you'd excuse me, I simply must go unroll my eyes from the back of my head.

mirfield 17.06.2011 14:29

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Originally Posted by grumpygrapefruit (Post 1231304)
An Englishman should never run for a tram, train or bus. It is so undignified.

I've perfected my "I'm not bothered. I didn't want that one anyway" look.

I tell you, I could be a cat.

Principia Discordia 17.06.2011 15:08

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This is what happened when the doors closed and the tram drove away.


grumpygrapefruit 17.06.2011 15:39

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Originally Posted by mirfield (Post 1231355)
I've perfected my "I'm not bothered. I didn't want that one anyway" look.

I tell you, I could be a cat.

I was born with that look. My mother was not impressed.

Sarwat Nomani 17.06.2011 23:49

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wow...most of you have gone lengths thinking of excuses for the tram driver...:p
but hmmm yea lesson learnt...dont chase trams...

Thanks to all those who understood that I was just venting out! thanks for telling me its ok...lol...cause it really is a part of life...I get that.

and to be fair...now that I think about it...not all tram drivers are the same...some even....smile!!! :msnshock:

It not all bad...:)

Sarwat Nomani 17.06.2011 23:51

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Britters2000 (Post 1231306)
Mmm don't think it was racist..... it was mean but I do agree with all the "keeping to schedule" etc comments. You know the Swissies and their time-keeping :rolleyes:

I don't use the trams very often, actually, not at all these days really. Can't stand the crowds and the smell of stale breath!! Yukko!

One of my most :msnmad: moments, when I had only the tram to travel around Basel and get to work, was when I ran (in those days I could run pretty fast, obviously not fast enough in this case) for the tram and watched a guy watching me as the tram door closed, he grinned at me, his finger hovering over the button and then, with the same hand, he waved at me and I was left to watch the tram move away without me! Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr!!!! I didn't wish anything bad for him.... just the worst ever!!:mad:. Promptly learnt to drive and have never looked back!

wow!! this beats my experience...

Sarwat Nomani 17.06.2011 23:53

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Mud (Post 1231075)
I understand your frustration, but calling someone of a different race racist for doing something that displeases you is, well, racist :msntongue:.

strangely...I agree!

Faltrad 18.06.2011 00:15

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Originally Posted by grumpygrapefruit (Post 1231304)
An Englishman should never run for a tram, train or bus. It is so undignified.

.... silly me thought that a real dignified Englishman never takes tram or bus but a cab. I am learning so much on this forum :D

cannut 18.06.2011 01:19

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http://www.rickross.com/graphics/kkk2.jpgWas it this one?:msnsarcastic:

Cali 18.06.2011 02:36

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i don't see why any train should stop or slow down for anyone, with or without child. it's bad luck, you missed it. i am sure it was not intentional on the part of the controller. hopefully tomorrow is a better day ;)

nickatbasel 20.06.2011 22:32

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I would have said nine times out of ten a tram driver will wait for you if it won't delay the tram too much and you are obviously making an effort to get to the tram. If a control light has gone to "go" and the doors are already locked then unfortunately it is too late. In Basel, there is rarely more than 10 minutes between trams unless you are travelling on the BLTs on a Sunday or bank holiday schedule in which case they are more like every 15 mins.

On the whole, I find public transport here clean, efficient, easy to understand the ticketing system. to be honest we are spoiled here. Compare it to London - it has taken me half an hour to figure out how to get from Heathrow to Streatham Common. And the prospect of traversing London with a small child in tow gives me the willies quite frankly. Also, if you have a pushchair etc, most tram passengers are good about letting you through and giving you a hand.

Cheers,
Nick

adrianlondon 20.06.2011 22:45

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Compare it to London
Population of 7.7 million.

TalkingHorse 21.06.2011 06:24

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Not racist in any way. It happened to me twice last week, with pram. Swiss efficiency cuts both ways. Our alternative is to run faster I suppose...

nickatbasel 21.06.2011 06:41

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Okay, in that case, compare it to a UK town of similar size...Basingstoke and Deane...now, how many trams in Basingstoke will wait while you dash for it with a pram?

There, I've got you now! :msntongue:

Cheers,
Nick
Quote:

Originally Posted by adrianlondon (Post 1234498)
Population of 7.7 million.


KeinFranzösisch 21.06.2011 07:35

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yesterday I watched a (Swiss?) woman board the tram and she literally sat right on the crack between the two seats, while a Muslim woman was preparing to sit next to her. The look exchanged was classic.

Racism/Classism/Xenophobia is rampant here, like nothing I've ever seen before. That said, I'm willing to believe the tram operator in the OP's case was keeping a schedule.

I've huffed it a few times to try and catch a tram and had the same thing happen. At least it's only 7 minutes until the next one.

Swissmountainair 21.06.2011 08:19

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The last time I took a tram in Zurich I realised after about 2 seconds that I was sat in the seat in front of a woman who clearly had incontinence and mental health issues. I really don't think the drivers are too fussy about who they let on :)

bigblue2 21.06.2011 08:39

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Originally Posted by KeinFranzösisch (Post 1234677)
yesterday I watched a (Swiss?) woman board the tram and she literally sat right on the crack between the two seats, while a Muslim woman was preparing to sit next to her. The look exchanged was classic.


Damn, the muslim woman clearly didn't get the memo about not wearing her "Looks at me I'm a muslim" t-shirt in public

Guest 21.06.2011 08:46

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I can believe you assuming the driver was acting like an idiot but why racist? Why does it always have to be about race? It is getting old really...I know it happens but just to assume it really I dont get it


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