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Old 30.06.2011, 15:35
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Sweden? They know NOTHING about style!

Norwegian women, on the other hand, do. And the food is better, too.

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Sweden? They know NOTHING about style!

Norwegian women, on the other hand, do. And the food is better, too.

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Old 30.06.2011, 15:51
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But I have to say, bleching is just plain rude. On boys or girls. Same goes for farting and screaming with no apparent reason...
Agree! Men or women that have no consideration or manners in public repulses me. A burp or any other human "movement" can be dealt with discreetly because it's not at all amusing

As for Swiss women... mmmm.... those that spruce up to take the dog for a walk in the forest or to just pop down the shops for a loaf of bread I find a bit exaggerated. I throw on a pair of old jeans and a t-shirt and I'm off!

I think Basel is little more relaxed than Zurich, the women here are a little more chatty (if you can say that about the Swiss?) unless it's in or waiting for the tram!!! When I first arrived I started talking to a lady waiting for a tram (as you do.. nice weather and all that), she asked me if she knew me???!!!! Ooooops Don't do that anymore!
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Re: Gender roles in Switzerland

look at many elderly ladies - most of them "dress-up" when they go shopping - clean cardigan, sometimes even a scarf, a clean blouse. I think this is very sweet.

well - it depends. I chat quite often with people on public transportation, at the glutenfree section of the Reformhaus or in cafés.

The key is "smile". If you'd address someone, and they ask "Do I know you" - you could reply with a smile "not yet".
Very often the topic evolves into a "where are you from?" and ends on vacation plans or restaurant suggestions.
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Old 30.06.2011, 16:08
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The key is "smile". If you'd address someone, and they ask "Do I know you" - you could reply with a smile "not yet".
Very often the topic evolves into a "where are you from?" and ends on vacation plans or restaurant suggestions.

IF you're a female,

If you're a male and you smile or make stranger contact with someone, a good majority of time you will get an odd look, you will be ignored and the person will feel very akward and hastily get off the next stop.



edit: this happens less with elderly people, but youre not going to have much to talk about other than the weather :P

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Old 30.06.2011, 16:25
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Re: Gender roles in Switzerland

Ah come on, I'd love to have more men (and women) actually picking up an innocent conversation with me Specially when they speak English! A little break on the old ugly German would make me talk to anyone just for the pure joy of speaking/ hearing English! Even about Rugby!

So if you ever see Helm waiting on the train station, please do smile and answer "not yet"
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Old 30.06.2011, 16:27
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The key is "smile".
You do know that this is Switzerland and smiles are subject to heavy taxation...
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You do know that this is Switzerland and smiles are subject to heavy taxation...
Well - I do know that smiles usually spread and multiply. Maybe not with immediate effect, but they have a tendency to brighten other people's day ;-)

@ Chemmie: Depends on the smile.
If a gent flashes me a greasy smile and compliments me on my stockings or my hair, I smile sweetly back, thank him and turn away. If he's commenting on the book I read - well, there we have a subject for conversation.
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Well - I do know that smiles usually spread and multiply. Maybe not with immediate effect, but they have a tendency to brighten other people's day ;-)
I believe that you've been to one too many Tim Robbins seminars.
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I believe that you've been to one too many Tim Robbins seminars.

If I'd know now who Tim Robbins is...

I did work for several airlines in the past - there professional smiles are mandatory, even if the customer is of the variation you would show the door if one would be allowed to do so. Same goes as cultural interpreter or museums educator. Patience and the ability to smile even if you are hearing the same daft remark over and over again are just part of the job. Working as a babysitter - errr - personal assistant - err - require the same.
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If I'd know now who Tim Robbins is...

I did work for several airlines in the past - there professional smiles are mandatory, even if the customer is of the variation you would show the door if one would be allowed to do so. Same goes as cultural interpreter or museums educator. Patience and the ability to smile even if you are hearing the same daft remark over and over again are just part of the job. Working as a babysitter - errr - personal assistant - err - require the same.
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Re: Gender roles in Switzerland

Depends on the subject. Believe me, it depends on the subject ;-)
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Old 30.06.2011, 16:43
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Well - I do know that smiles usually spread and multiply. Maybe not with immediate effect, but they have a tendency to brighten other people's day ;-)

@ Chemmie: Depends on the smile.
If a gent flashes me a greasy smile and compliments me on my stockings or my hair, I smile sweetly back, thank him and turn away. If he's commenting on the book I read - well, there we have a subject for conversation.

Well this is exactly the point, you have prejudices against people based on first impressions. People have these prejudices against all sorts of denominations. Who's to tell tell if an innocent comment with lead to the akward smile and turn away, it's most times best just to avoid that odd contact and not have your day ruined by random social rejection.
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Well this is exactly the point, you have prejudices against people based on first impressions. People have these prejudices against all sorts of denominations. Who's to tell tell if an innocent comment with lead to the akward smile and turn away, it's most times best just to avoid that odd contact and not have your day ruined by random social rejection.

Not all is prejudice - some is experience. Usually if a gent makes a comment on stockings (I always wear striped stockings - anything else is so dull), either it's a neutral smile and the conversation goes on to style or lack there-of. Body language conveys a lot more information than most people are aware of, so do looks and tone of the voice. If his gaze is resting longer than what should be proper on my legs, and apparently more interested in them than into a chat - well, I always carry 1 or 2 books with me.
I am a chatty nature, but I don't like spending (or even wasting) time with men who had a hormone-flare-up.

A two phrase exchange usually marks the difference between a chatty fellow and the latter kind.
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Old 30.06.2011, 18:03
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Not all is prejudice - some is experience. Usually if a gent makes a comment on stockings (I always wear striped stockings - anything else is so dull), either it's a neutral smile and the conversation goes on to style or lack there-of. Body language conveys a lot more information than most people are aware of, so do looks and tone of the voice. If his gaze is resting longer than what should be proper on my legs, and apparently more interested in them than into a chat - well, I always carry 1 or 2 books with me.
I am a chatty nature, but I don't like spending (or even wasting) time with men who had a hormone-flare-up.

A two phrase exchange usually marks the difference between a chatty fellow and the latter kind.

Very useful skill to have. If I could tell by body language whenever a women was homormonal, I would definitely avoid talking to them when they are PMSing....although in reality, I probably wouldn't, just not that judgemental and shallow.
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Old 30.06.2011, 21:11
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If I could tell by body language whenever a women was homormonal, I would definitely avoid talking to them when they are PMSing....
Easy in my case, they are all (girlfriend and two daughters) phased to the moon, full = PMS!

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A burp or any other human "movement" can be dealt with discreetly because it's not at all amusing
Disagree. Farts are hilarious. However, I am aware that not everyone agrees and therefore don't let them rip in public. You are privileged when I fart in front of you - it either means you're my family (privileged although I don't choose my family), good friend (very privileged) or boyfriend (über privileged). So you should take these things as a compliment, really.
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Disagree. Farts are hilarious. However, I am aware that not everyone agrees and therefore don't let them rip in public. You are privileged when I fart in front of you - it either means you're my family (privileged although I don't choose my family), good friend (very privileged) or boyfriend (über privileged). So you should take these things as a compliment, really.
And I thought women cannot fart because they are unable to shut up long enough to build up sufficient pressure.....

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Old 30.06.2011, 23:27
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Canadian women like me find it normal behavior for teenagers but certainly find it bad taste in adult women...
Where are all Nil's farting posts, I have seen them around here...

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In this world of rock stars..
Hey, you know some rock stars are actually normal people..somewhat...just sayin'

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... Sexy? Well…
I think there might be a cultural difference to this..While I think sexy is spontaneity, confidence, looks, attitude, self assurance with not taking oneself overly seriously and actually having some substance, sexy elsewhere could be lot more engineered pose. Uninvolved. Prepared. Seemingly uninvested. Fake cold shoulder.

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@ Chemmie: Depends on the smile.
It does. But people being forcefully chummy (while they marvel at their own wit), and in a very carefully pre prepared way, kill it, no matter of the smile.

I'd say, an intelligent smirk, yo.

Stripy socks are great, I have about 20 pairs of them, very practical. I don't think I actually like having men making some comments about my stockings. As if people wore clothes to have to listen to commentary, ...

I think femininity lies in modesty. Selflessness. Grace. Instinct. Body and space awareness. Fluidity.
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