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Old 02.07.2011, 00:17
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Prior to the smoking ban, I happened to be working in a restaurant for New Year's eve. All the windows were closed. The place was packed and there were many children and even babies. Within a few hours the restaurant air was disgusting. I had breathing problems for a day after that night...but how can you do it with kids around you???
Seriously, do you need an f-ing law to tell you that a) new year's eve is for the young and the intoxicated, not infants and the under 15 crowd? and b) that smoke in an enclosed area is really not pleasant for all parties, particularly those who are too young to understand? This is the part that makes my jaw drop....the unself-conscious smoking around the very young as we are all honest enough to admit that this stuff isn't good for our health, no matter how many different studies go back and forth. I mean, who takes babies to a bar/club on new year's? I know Switzerland has babysitters.... Even my mother who was an MD back in the day when that was rather pioneering smoked, but didn't smoke around her children. It's not like this is rocket science to understand why it's not good to do so. So I don't get why it seems to be so commonplace to ignore common sense.
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Old 02.07.2011, 00:33
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Seriously, do you need an f-ing law to tell you that a) new year's eve is for the young and the intoxicated, not infants and the under 15 crowd? and b) that smoke in an enclosed area is really not pleasant for all parties, particularly those who are too young to understand? This is the part that makes my jaw drop....the unself-conscious smoking around the very young as we are all honest enough to admit that this stuff isn't good for our health, no matter how many different studies go back and forth. I mean, who takes babies to a bar/club on new year's? I know Switzerland has babysitters.... Even my mother who was an MD back in the day when that was rather pioneering smoked, but didn't smoke around her children. It's not like this is rocket science to understand why it's not good to do so. So I don't get why it seems to be so commonplace to ignore common sense.
What is worse, people that smoke in places around children, or parents that take children to places where people smoke ?

Dumb ass parents that's who.

If children are around smoke, look to the parent's - don't blame the smokers.
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Old 02.07.2011, 00:34
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I think mine had started smoking by then themselves! (and still do)

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My guess you did e lossy job bringing up your kids.Mine are non smokers Just kidding
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Old 02.07.2011, 02:04
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What is worse, people that smoke in places around children, or parents that take children to places where people smoke ?

Dumb ass parents that's who.

If children are around smoke, look to the parent's - don't blame the smokers.
So when the children are in a huge children's play area and moreover are in the toddlers play area which is in the center of the over all location, it is the parents fault when some sociopath lights up?

I hope that you did not mean your previous post as a blanket statement and were only referring to those that take their children to other more inappropriate places.
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Old 02.07.2011, 08:33
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Re: smoking on Zurichsee ferries

yawn, yawn, yawn....

most boring thread for ages.what a waste of time...

think I'll go and do something more interesting like peeling potatoes
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Old 02.07.2011, 08:36
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Seriously, do you need an f-ing law to tell you that a) new year's eve is for the young and the intoxicated, not infants and the under 15 crowd? and b) that smoke in an enclosed area is really not pleasant for all parties, particularly those who are too young to understand? This is the part that makes my jaw drop....the unself-conscious smoking around the very young as we are all honest enough to admit that this stuff isn't good for our health, no matter how many different studies go back and forth. I mean, who takes babies to a bar/club on new year's? I know Switzerland has babysitters.... Even my mother who was an MD back in the day when that was rather pioneering smoked, but didn't smoke around her children. It's not like this is rocket science to understand why it's not good to do so. So I don't get why it seems to be so commonplace to ignore common sense.
Well, this was not a bar or club that's the point. It was a pizza and pasta restaurant so it was a 'family' event, but I could hardly keep up with emptying and replacing the overflowing ashtrays. Bleq...
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Re: smoking on Zurichsee ferries

I admit to skipping pages 2-4, so apologise if I am writing something that has already been stated:

When I first came to Switzerland, I hated being on the trains because of the smell of the cigarette smoke. Banning smoking on trains seemed to have happened now without undue problems, so I don't see why banning it on the ferries would be a problem.

The other place I would like to see smoking banned, is in theatre foyers. From a safety point of view, I get nervous amongst a crowd of people when some are holding hot cigarettes very close to highly infammable fabrics.
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So when the children are in a huge children's play area and moreover are in the toddlers play area which is in the center of the over all location, it is the parents fault when some sociopath lights up?

I hope that you did not mean your previous post as a blanket statement and were only referring to those that take their children to other more inappropriate places.
If there is a smoker around children, look to the parents to protect the children. Do not rely on the attitude of a complete stranger. You can either keep your children where there are smokers and sit on a high horse moaning self righteously or you can do the right thing and move your children. If you don't move the children, and you know that area is harmful, what sort of a parent are you ?
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Old 02.07.2011, 13:15
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Re: smoking on Zurichsee ferries

What have you got against blankets?

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Re: smoking on Zurichsee ferries

Or having a fag.

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I just moved here from Seattle where smoking bans in public places including outside have become commonplace. Its amazing. Its like heaven over there for people who strongly dislike second hand smoke. In fact, you are not allowed to smoke within 15 ft of the entryway to any restaurant or business. I think you can smoke in front of bars, but I'm not sure. Anyway, it is glorious. Also, smoking is banned everywhere outdoor/indoor...everywhere on the entire University of Washington campus...which is huge.

Have they ever tried real smoking bans like this in outside places here in Switzerland?

They couldn't, because the Swiss smokers believe strongly in their "right" (!!) to smoke wherever and whenever they like. (How their right to the artificial state of smoking trumps my right to the natural need of fresh air, I don't comprehend. Neither does my asthma, which finds it hard to just "ignore" the smoke.)

I'm gay, and 75% of gays here in Switzerland smoke (I saw that statistic on a poster advertising a quitting workshop for gay couples). It's maddening. Before, it was awful inside the bars. Now, at any given time, 1/2 of the attendees will be outside on the sidewalk, creating a wall of smoke to walk through.
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Re: smoking on Zurichsee ferries

Forget it, the swiss love to smoke thats why there are so few smoking laws in switzerland the swiss light up in loads of places, so i certainly wouldn;t bet on it
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