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Old 30.06.2011, 11:19
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Dude, good on you!

Totally forget about them and this whole wasted experience. There are better companies to work for out there. Now you can 100% concentrate your energy and resources on finding one.

Only good hair days going forward, right?! I sure hope so!
Thanks a lot for the encouragement! You are so right.... A lesson well learned. The waiting and believing was simply my fault. This can be changed.
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Old 30.06.2011, 11:19
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Re: Job lies...

I had a similar experience applying with a company about 3-4 years ago. I went out of my way to gather written references from employers I'd left years before to complete my dossier. Spent ages writing a top-notch (IMHO) letter of motivation, answered all the petty questions from HR...and then all communication completely dried up. No-one returned calls or emails. Pretty sloppy all round. I understand that the company was undergoing a takeover, but they could have least been up-fron and honest about it. I just gave up in the end.
I recently found out that a former colleague who I knew had got a job there only stayed for 18 months, she said it was a nightmare company to work for. Can't say that surprised me.
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Old 30.06.2011, 11:23
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I would take that as a "no", myself.

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Yes, that's right and I assume it is what it actually means. A "no" in disguise....
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Hmmmmmmmmmm, I love da smell of bullshit in the morning....
1) What's the job
2) who's the employer
3) Years ?????????? ???????????????
4) How old are you?
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Old 30.06.2011, 11:31
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Yes, that's right and I assume it is what it actually means. A "no" in disguise....
No, not disguised at all.

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Old 30.06.2011, 11:37
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I had a similar experience applying with a company about 3-4 years ago. I went out of my way to gather written references from employers I'd left years before to complete my dossier. Spent ages writing a top-notch (IMHO) letter of motivation, answered all the petty questions from HR...and then all communication completely dried up. No-one returned calls or emails. Pretty sloppy all round. I understand that the company was undergoing a takeover, but they could have least been up-fron and honest about it. I just gave up in the end.
I recently found out that a former colleague who I knew had got a job there only stayed for 18 months, she said it was a nightmare company to work for. Can't say that surprised me.

It turned out to be your luck not to have scored this particular job.
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Hmmmmmmmmmm, I love da smell of bullshit in the morning....
1) What's the job
2) who's the employer
3) Years ?????????? ???????????????
4) How old are you?
Thanks for your interest Marton. I know it would be a big story and I am sure you have a good nose for these things. I counted on words, was maybe too naive and the whole thing has gone badly "boink".
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Old 30.06.2011, 17:06
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Maybe they've gone out of business in the intervening years?

Seriously, I would give up and look elsewhere.
I had similar experiences and if the company is a large one I'd actually suggest the opposite: If one out of hundred HR manager/ team leader /"whoever was the actual problem last time" was a moron does it not mean that the company is entirely bad or a bad place to work for. If you see another opening you are interested in - apply again.

Your experience tells you now that only signed contracts count something and vague promises don't... keep that in mind but otherwise the good spirit up.
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if a company handles job-appliances over just email correspondence... - forget about it….
Well, maybe it's just my industry (computers), but every job I've ever applied for not only accepted, but required applications to be submitted electronically, with the bulk of subsequent communication happening by email.

I don't even maintain a pretty, formatted CV/resumι, because a plain-text one simply works better for electronic applications (e.g. through web forms).

And even in other industries where it may not be the primary method, it's certainly not unusual any more.
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Old 01.07.2011, 01:31
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Sounds like you would be ok, if they don't find somebody better. They might think you need them little too much which is never a good thing here. Just focus your hopes on a new goal and good luck. (if you do not speak local lingo, try to work on it, it is frequently the deal breaker for companies and applicants).
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Sounds like you would be ok, if they don't find somebody better. They might think you need them little too much which is never a good thing here. Just focus your hopes on a new goal and good luck. (if you do not speak local lingo, try to work on it, it is frequently the deal breaker for companies and applicants).
I agree with you, absolutely needing isn't very professional. Actually, I never gave them the impression that I need it. I just took their interest serious (what I can say from my point of view). If I am ok for the future here, I can't predict where it ends. There's a chance it may mean to pack the stuff and go. That is something I am trying to avoid as I do like it here.

Here are some more specific details about these mind games of HR in my business. That may bring clarity into it.

The opening was advertised - I have been recommended (network), filed the application. It turned out they can't fill the position but kept the application. The position needed to be filled a year later. (I thought "ok, why not - nothing to lose").
During that year, I got the chance to substitute someone there for 2 weeks (I thought "perfect, that will be the testrun" - took the chance and it went very well - feedback was good). And so on and so on.... To cut the story short: I do get specific dates and promises but nothing comes out of it.
It happened with a second application - even weirder, at the same time like number one. When I was ready for a change I looked around and took action to file applications with interesting companies. So, it happened that number 2 one day came and said: we have an opening. Got a temporary contract, worked, got good feedback after the contract was fullfilled. Many temporary contracts came to fill the shortage.
While I was working there, they posted some vacancies in my field. (I thought: "awesome, go girl and get it"). How it ended? Well, didn't get an Interview, didn't get any offer - just nothing. Some months ago, I have heard that they have filled the position which I have applied for and have covered up the shortage many times. My colleagues told me, that this is a totally unusual and weird policy. They have recommended to go and ask. I did, just got excuses.

Number 3 I don't wanna tell here - same story.

That is the mess that makes me really sick. Am I suffering of frequent brain burps? Is it sloppy from their side? This hiring policy just confuses me. Never ever I have pushed anyone - that just wouldn't have gotten me somewhere. But I do think I have, even as an expat, the right for honesty. A clear "No" I can live with, but mind games? Nah....

Sorry for the long post, I just wanted to add some clarity. And again, thanks to you all for your great comments on this issue, it helps me a lot. At least I know, I am heard in this struggle.


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They might think you need them little too much which is never a good thing here.
I don't think that's on the list of desirable qualities for candidates anywhere!
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Actually, no. I have had a couple of employers in the academics that you had to demonstrate your commitment and attitude which would elsewhere be looked at needing them too much. They are not from the continent, though .

Back home too, in certain fields, since it is assumed nobody needs any job too much, they also translate interest as interest, not as being dependent at that one particular opportunity.

OP, it does sound like you are over analyzing. What is professional attitude to you, might be viewed completely differently. Ie - you have stayed at their disposal, I bet the minute you get hired elsewhere they will come back. This is a very little place, info spreads. So, I would also not vent here too much about HR depts, etc etc etc..
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