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Old 11.07.2011, 14:32
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Re: Which Sheep does he mean?

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You eat baby sheep?
Baby pigs and goats as well. Very popular in this part of the country.

A whole one fits just nicely in the smoker I have on the balcony (oh, no, I said the "s" word! )

4-5 hours at 120c, and Bob's your uncle!

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Old 11.07.2011, 15:22
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The mistake the SVP made was using the colours white and black.
If they had used red and green, or purple and yellow (oh no, not yellow, that could have been interpreted to mean Asian folk!) ... well, purple and orange ..... then there would have been no racial slurs incurred, huh?
no, not orange either. The Irish would know who's meant.
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Old 11.07.2011, 16:29
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In general I don't think itís a particularly bad idea, if an individual is the product of a different society criminal justice and social system, why should a different country bare the cost of incarcerating or prosecuting a criminal, send the individual back and let the society that developed the individual take the cost of his actions.

This is one thing that has recently annoyed me about the Australians sending back serial killers/ rapists to the UK, these individuals might have British passports but they have spent their whole lives in the country in which they have committed their crimes; in that case the society that has made them should be the society that pays the price.

Obviously the propaganda and silly cartoons makes the position of the SVP untenable, but this aspect of immigration is probably quite right, to a certain extent.
Will the shipping back rule be employed retro-actvely? Originally the British sent all of their convicts to Australia- may as well send everyone back except the Aboriginies.
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Old 11.07.2011, 16:47
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You eat baby sheep?

The cheese is made from their Mama`s milk.
Lamb of course means "youngish" sheep. And the cheese is made
from their Mamas' milk is obvious.

Here a Lamb Vindaloo






and here some Lamb Cheese
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Old 11.07.2011, 16:50
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In defense of the sheep. I like sheep, probably from years of Youth Hostelling in Wales. Sheep don't seem to care if their friends are black, white or brown, so why are we pinning this on the sheep as if discrimination is inherent in nature? I really liked this documentary from PBS

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Old 11.07.2011, 16:56
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Maybe they are a bit harsh to the sensitive people of this world, but ithink their approach to certain things makes them interesting and the controversy allows them to be heard above the rest.
If you can't offend sensitive people then you can't make any political statement going beyond "we should all be nice to one-another". If a party isn't offending any sensitives then maybe they should be asking what it is that they stand for or want to achieve or why anybody should vote for them.

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In defense of the sheep. I like sheep, probably from years of Youth Hostelling in Wales. Sheep don't seem to care if their friends are black, white or brown, so why are we pinning this on the sheep as if discrimination is inherent in nature? I really liked this documentary from PBS
The only reason that sheep are not biassed towards vegetarians is that

a) they are not in full command of the facts
b) they are stupid

I've also done quite a bit of youth hostelling and been to some rough outdoor places. In my opinion sheep are just about the most borning animals you can meet. Goats have a sense of humour and are curious. Horses are graceful and majestic. Cows also have a certain dignity. Sheep are plain boring. Okay, lambs are cute. that's about it.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WAikxUGbomY

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Old 11.07.2011, 17:05
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Goats have a sense of humour and are curious. Horses are graceful and majestic. Cows also have a certain dignity. Sheep are plain boring.
And ALL make for great eating!

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Old 11.07.2011, 18:13
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Re: Which Sheep does he mean?

Tagesanzeiger invites politicians from all parties on a regular basis to write articles. This time it's SVPs Oskar Freysinger with a piece on Multiculturalism. He explains why in his views a multicultural environment destroys diversity (sic!).

http://politblog.tagesanzeiger.ch/bl...rsite/?lang=de

Please don't ask me to translate or explain it. I don't understand his point at all (and I am a native speaker with a degree in writing...), so I cannot translate it. For me, his argumentation is completely bizarre and not of this world - it defies logic to the fullest. Bottom line is: If people from different cultures live together, their cultures get reduced to empty shells and stereotypes - so to preserve the lovely diversity we have on earth, humans should better live separated.

The article is otherwise nicely phrased and vague enough that people can again project whatever they want to believe between his empty words. Probably a smart approach in general, but maybe went a bit too far this time... if I have to project my thoughts in it: He basically says that having several cultures living together is in principal a bad thing. The only logical answer from a politician could therefore only be to get rid of foreign cultures - which I think is a big step more than throwing only criminal foreigners out.
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Old 11.07.2011, 18:50
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Lamb of course means "youngish" sheep.
Except in the US, there even mutton is "lamb".

"Under current United States federal regulations, only the term 'lamb' is used:
  • Lamb ó ovine animals of any age, including ewes and rams[5]"

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Old 11.07.2011, 19:08
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Tagesanzeiger invites politicians from all parties on a regular basis to write articles. This time it's SVPs Oskar Freysinger with a piece on Multiculturalism. He explains why in his views a multicultural environment destroys diversity (sic!).

http://politblog.tagesanzeiger.ch/bl...rsite/?lang=de

Please don't ask me to translate or explain it. I don't understand his point at all (and I am a native speaker with a degree in writing...), so I cannot translate it. For me, his argumentation is completely bizarre and not of this world - it defies logic to the fullest. Bottom line is: If people from different cultures live together, their cultures get reduced to empty shells and stereotypes - so to preserve the lovely diversity we have on earth, humans should better live separated.

The article is otherwise nicely phrased and vague enough that people can again project whatever they want to believe between his empty words. Probably a smart approach in general, but maybe went a bit too far this time... if I have to project my thoughts in it: He basically says that having several cultures living together is in principal a bad thing. The only logical answer from a politician could therefore only be to get rid of foreign cultures - which I think is a big step more than throwing only criminal foreigners out.
Freysinger ends with:

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Multikulti wird zur Schlange, die sich in den eigenen Schwanz beisst.

Multiculturalism is the snake that bites its own tale.
I would argue the opposite, that Monoculturalism is the snake that bites its own tale. The world is becoming ever more interconnected, a country that isolates itself culturally will cease to progress.

In all cultural maturing, be it a society or an individual there are periods of insecurity and trepidation as changes take place. Eventually if the society or person is full active in a fair process then they emerge stronger than before, with more awareness of and more confidence to progress.

The people who fear change most are those that have the most to lose- basically they fear competition because they lack the ability or intelligence to adapt. The Swiss are survivors, they will adapt, and emerge with a strong sense of improved swissifying of everything.

We adapt cultures on a daily basis. For example, I don't cook Iranian food how it is traditionally meant to be cooked anymore. I have a healthier version- no frying in clarified butter or mutton fat, I often substitute meat with soy etc. no salt, less sugar, less rice, more vegetables. At the same time I go in search of authentic ingredients that are not widely available in Europe, to make sure that the ancient knowledge and arts are not lost.

Many Iranians are now doing the same. In Tehran supermarkets you will find, lots of Swiss chocolate, Swiss cheese, teas, fondues etc. There seems to be a recent craze for Aloe Vera. They will take these ingredients and Iranianize them. So Fondue Chinoise will now become Fondue Irani and Lindt chocolate will be incorporated into deserts.

Multikulti ( yeuch what a word!) In the end there really isn't much that Freysinger or his ilk can do to turn back the tide. People yearn for new ways of thinking, the arts and science will provide them. it's a wonderful world if you just learn to embrace it.

One of the most fascinated exhibitions I have seen is Kara Walkers Scherenschnitte

http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=...in-%25E2%2580%

http://www.stylemag-online.net/2011/...en-aus-papier/
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Old 11.07.2011, 19:18
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I would argue the opposite, that Monoculturalism is the snake that bites its own tale. The world is becoming ever more interconnected, a country that isolates itself culturally will cease to progress.
I think that's what British imperialists said 200 years ago or so.
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Except in the US, there even mutton is "lamb".

"Under current United States federal regulations, only the term 'lamb' is used:
  • Lamb ó ovine animals of any age, including ewes and rams[5]"

Tom
Of course. Because mutton is inferior. People over here may be ignorant, and sometimes even downright stupid, but they know what the "buzzwords" are.

Born and Bred American and lived here almost all of my 4.6 decades on this rock but I can never understand how we can have so many different types of pork and beef and so on, yet still people insist on calling mutton lamb.

I thought that I didn't like lamb for most of my life and only discovered 10 years ago that I had been fed mutton called lamb when I was a child. Still don't like mutton but love lamb. Too bad they taste so good when they are soooo cute.
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Baby pigs and goats as well. Very popular in this part of the country.

A whole one fits just nicely in the smoker I have on the balcony (oh, no, I said the "s" word! )

4-5 hours at 120c, and Bob's your uncle!

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To my way of thinking, the only socially acceptable form of public smoking there is.

Please, Sir, may I have another.
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Of course. Because mutton is inferior. People over here may be ignorant, and sometimes even downright stupid, but they know what the "buzzwords" are.

Born and Bred American and lived here almost all of my 4.6 decades on this rock but I can never understand how we can have so many different types of pork and beef and so on, yet still people insist on calling mutton lamb.

I thought that I didn't like lamb for most of my life and only discovered 10 years ago that I had been fed mutton called lamb when I was a child. Still don't like mutton but love lamb. Too bad they taste so good when they are soooo cute.
Mutton dressed up as lamb. The biggest difference tome is whether it is grass-fed or not. We only used to get lamb in the spring- had it for Easter.
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Re: Which Sheep does he mean?

you think it's over? It's time for the second round!!!

http://translate.google.se/translate...346723%3Ftrack




what happened? no other areas where they can disgrace us foreigners?
It will be a tough year with the election and all...*sigh*
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Tagesanzeiger invites politicians from all parties on a regular basis to write articles. This time it's SVPs Oskar Freysinger with a piece on Multiculturalism. He explains why in his views a multicultural environment destroys diversity (sic!).

http://politblog.tagesanzeiger.ch/bl...rsite/?lang=de

Please don't ask me to translate or explain it. I don't understand his point at all (and I am a native speaker with a degree in writing...), so I cannot translate it. For me, his argumentation is completely bizarre and not of this world - it defies logic to the fullest. Bottom line is: If people from different cultures live together, their cultures get reduced to empty shells and stereotypes - so to preserve the lovely diversity we have on earth, humans should better live separated.

The article is otherwise nicely phrased and vague enough that people can again project whatever they want to believe between his empty words. Probably a smart approach in general, but maybe went a bit too far this time... if I have to project my thoughts in it: He basically says that having several cultures living together is in principal a bad thing. The only logical answer from a politician could therefore only be to get rid of foreign cultures - which I think is a big step more than throwing only criminal foreigners out.
Oskar Freysinger - the new superhero of the right extreme groups across europe!

so the next SVP initiatives?...ban all foreign cultures? ban islam? ban Kebab?
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Ever heard a person called a Black Sheep (in a family situation)...?

Ever heard the expression "Black Joke"?

Has NOTHING whatsoever to do with the colour of a persons skin!

The mistake the SVP made was using the colours white and black.
If they had used red and green, or purple and yellow (oh no, not yellow, that could have been interpreted to mean Asian folk!) ... well, purple and orange ..... then there would have been no racial slurs incurred, huh?

The colours black, white, yellow, red, beige, pink and brown should be banned for political campaign use!
You must quite naive to think that SVP does not know what they are doing, there NO mistakes in SVPs posters! They know exactly how to create a "fuss", and that is what they want in their "black & white"-world...
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...Do not forget that the Minaret-Initiative was targetted mainly against Muslim-ex-Yugoslavs...
yes they have not gone through enough back in Sbrenica...so lets drag em down a little bit more....
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...The SVP is not Switzerland, and Mr Brunner is just a functionary of the SVP...
you keep saying that...but they ARE the biggest party in Switzerland, and probably (?) the biggest right extreme party in the world...and they seem to win A LOT of initiatives lately, even though most people on EF thought that Swiss would turn them down...
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Re: Which Sheep does he mean?

Sounds like they are related to "our" blondie Geert Wilders

http://www.ihrc.org.uk/activities/pr...speech-charges
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