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Re: Which Sheep does he mean?

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Parteipräsient Toni Brunner. "Wir wollen, dass die schwarzen Schafe endlich ausgeschafft werden." Die SVP greift denn auch erneut auf das Schafe-Plakat zurück, das vor den letzten Wahlen Diskussionen ausgelöst hatte. Damals sammelte die SVP Unterschriften für die erste Ausschaffungsinitiative.

Translation: The president of the SVP wants to expel any foreigners who commit a crime in Switzerland. These foreigners he calls black sheep ( Schwarze Schafe). What sort of a stupid racist attack is that?
Its not racist, he was just trying to get close to the description, as you see all the native Swiss are light in complexion, White and most of the foreign scum is darker in complexion, ranging from light brown to black in complexion.

SVP is usually against the foreign dark complexioned people who come to Switzerland and committ crime and live off social benefits, so referring to them as "black" is roundabout way of pointing them out without offending them.

Though, I dont agree with him calling them "sheep" as they are clearly humans. Ok maybe semi-humans, but definitely not sheep. Sheep never evolved into humans. Apes maybe but not sheep. That is just plain wrong, in Biological terms.
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Old 14.07.2011, 18:31
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Though, I dont agree with him calling them "sheep" as they are clearly humans. Ok maybe semi-humans, but definitely not sheep. Sheep never evolved into humans. Apes maybe but not sheep. That is just plain wrong, in Biological terms.
Sheep labour maybe, as in they don't ask much for wages?
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Old 14.07.2011, 18:35
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Sheep labour maybe, as in they don't ask much for wages?
Exactly!

See thats some improvement to "Slave labour" which proves my point that Human race is making some progress.

But what I dont understand is, why do the Indian IT contractors get so up in arms about it?!
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Old 14.07.2011, 20:56
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Exactly.

Whatever SVP says, it's racist.

Therefore tax cuts are also racist.
yes.... does it matter? SVP don't care...they like to be defined as a foreign hating party.......it's probably a complement for them...
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Old 14.07.2011, 21:12
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Its not racist, he was just trying to get close to the description, as you see all the native Swiss are light in complexion, White and most of the foreign scum is darker in complexion, ranging from light brown to black in complexion.

SVP is usually against the foreign dark complexioned people who come to Switzerland and committ crime and live off social benefits, so referring to them as "black" is roundabout way of pointing them out without offending them.

Though, I dont agree with him calling them "sheep" as they are clearly humans. Ok maybe semi-humans, but definitely not sheep. Sheep never evolved into humans. Apes maybe but not sheep. That is just plain wrong, in Biological terms.
1. so if a white skinned foreigner commits a crime then it's ok?

2. shouldn't they spend more time and money on investigating WHY (if it's the case) foreigners commit more (%) crime than Swiss...is it due to integration? Is it due to social issues? etc? Preventing crime from happening is WAY more effective then "scaring" people to not to, because it does NOT work! (see US)

But SVP is NOT interesting in this, they just want to get rid of the most valuable asset here...

You can NOT just say to foreigners which are coming here - Please behave and integrate! - Switzerland (Government AND the private sector) has to actively help foreigners with their integration, no questions asked...

So now SVP has achieved with foreign hating propaganda, that Swiss has general a worse view on foreigners, which will lead to more separation, which will lead to more social issues (see crime)...so ironically SVP will be indirect responsible for the increase of criminal activities by foreigners...

It's almost like SVP has planned it all...
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Its not racist, he was just trying to get close to the description, as you see all the native Swiss are light in complexion, White and most of the foreign scum is darker in complexion, ranging from light brown to black in complexion.

SVP is usually against the foreign dark complexioned people who come to Switzerland and committ crime and live off social benefits, so referring to them as "black" is roundabout way of pointing them out without offending them.

Though, I dont agree with him calling them "sheep" as they are clearly humans. Ok maybe semi-humans, but definitely not sheep. Sheep never evolved into humans. Apes maybe but not sheep. That is just plain wrong, in Biological terms.
This is absolutely unacceptable and totally against the rules of this Forum.
Shame on you.
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Old 14.07.2011, 21:33
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Shame on you.
He didn't mean it, don't worry.

He's permanently banned now anyway.
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Old 14.07.2011, 21:40
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1. so if a white skinned foreigner commits a crime then it's ok?

2. shouldn't they spend more time and money on investigating WHY (if it's the case) foreigners commit more (%) crime than Swiss...is it due to integration? Is it due to social issues? etc? Preventing crime from happening is WAY more effective then "scaring" people to not to, because it does NOT work! (see US)

But SVP is NOT interesting in this, they just want to get rid of the most valuable asset here...

You can NOT just say to foreigners which are coming here - Please behave and integrate! - Switzerland (Government AND the private sector) has to actively help foreigners with their integration, no questions asked...

So now SVP has achieved with foreign hating propaganda, that Swiss has general a worse view on foreigners, which will lead to more separation, which will lead to more social issues (see crime)...so ironically SVP will be indirect responsible for the increase of criminal activities by foreigners...

It's almost like SVP has planned it all...
About "shouldn't they spend more time and money on investigating WHY (if it's the case) foreigners commit more (%) crime than Swiss"

Somehow reminds me of the English politician (about 20 years ago but do not remember his name) who denied there were a lot of unemployed at the time & said "It is just a rumour spread by people with nothing better to do"

made me laugh but I always had an odd sense of humour.

I suspect that people who are unable to find a job & live in a high cost area like Switzerland have little other choice than turn to crime; unless you like living in a carton under a bridge.
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Old 14.07.2011, 21:51
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I suspect that people who are unable to find a job & live in a high cost area like Switzerland have little other choice than turn to crime; unless you like living in a carton under a bridge.
I misread that at first, thinking you wrote

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and was wondering which unfortunate canton you might be referring to ...

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and was wondering which unfortunate canton you might be referring to ...
Glarus would be narrow enough to fit under a bridge...
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Old 14.07.2011, 22:16
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1. so if a white skinned foreigner commits a crime then it's ok?
You mean like Ivan the Rapist. Remember that poster where the SVP demanded his right to stay?

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2. shouldn't they spend more time and money on investigating WHY (if it's the case) foreigners commit more (%) crime than Swiss...
Who said they did commit more crimes?

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But SVP is NOT interesting in this, they just want to get rid of the most valuable asset here...
They want to get rid of only criminal foreigners. Are you suggesting criminal foreigners are Switzerland's most valuable asset?

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You can NOT just say to foreigners which are coming here - Please behave and integrate! - Switzerland (Government AND the private sector) has to actively help foreigners with their integration, no questions asked...
I don't actually know what integration is. But if anybody, integrated or not thinks crime is okay, they can't pretend they weren't warned.
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I suspect that people who are unable to find a job & live in a high cost area like Switzerland have little other choice than turn to crime; unless you like living in a carton under a bridge.
I live in Geneva, am unemployed and haven't yet turned to crime!
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Old 14.07.2011, 22:39
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I live in Geneva, am unemployed and haven't yet turned to crime!
Nonsense! You're Irish, aren't you?

It's in your blood.
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Are you by any chance getting unemployment benefit?
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Old 14.07.2011, 22:49
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not yet, but I have applied
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Old 14.07.2011, 23:03
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You must quite naive to think that SVP does not know what they are doing, there NO mistakes in SVPs posters! They know exactly how to create a "fuss", and that is what they want in their "black & white"-world...
Nein, not at all .... in no way am I naive .... it is perfectly clear what the SVP are telling their voters.

And they certainly know how to use Advertising for their campaigns!

The object of which is to bring into focus what they are saying and what they stand for. They are attempting to keep this country in the condition is was before it got over-run by foreigners who have completely different cultural values.

People come here .... for what? Other than those employed in their professions, there are those who seek to prey on the "naivety" of a country not accustomed to savagery, theft, disorderly conduct, and civil unrest. So a political party that objects to hosting foreign criminals and makes no bones about their feelings .... is looked on as racist and intolerable because of their political campaign?

Those objecting to this, well, it`s none of their business, is it?
It`s the business of those who have the vote here, and those who don`t like it, may cast their votes elsewhere.
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Old 14.07.2011, 23:11
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Nein, not at all .... in no way am I naive .... it is perfectly clear what the SVP are telling their voters.

And they certainly know how to use Advertising for their campaigns!

The object of which is to bring into focus what they are saying and what they stand for. They are attempting to keep this country in the condition is was before it got over-run by foreigners who have completely different cultural values.

People come here .... for what? Other than those employed in their professions, there are those who seek to prey on the "naivety" of a country not accustomed to savagery, theft, disorderly conduct, and civil unrest. So a political party that objects to hosting foreign criminals and makes no bones about their feelings .... is looked on as racist and intolerable because of their political campaign?

Those objecting to this, well, it`s none of their business, is it?
It`s the business of those who have the vote here, and those who don`t like it, may cast their votes elsewhere.
Are you drunk, is this sarcasm or do you really believe what you just wrote?
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Smoky, are you explaining SVP's ideology or are your explaining your own opinion about their adverts? The way you formulate it can be so ambiguous so that one can understand your message totally the opposit. Just sayin'...
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I've no problem with fighting against crime and criminals. I have a problem with a 'Party' which depicts all criminals to be foreign, and all foreigners (especially some in particular) being criminals. THAT is racist - end of.
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Smoky, are you explaining SVP's ideology or are your explaining your own opinion about their adverts?
Well, he lives as far out in the sticks as you technically can in Kanton ZH - in a farming village which is a SVP stronghold (43%) while having far less foreigners than the other places in Zurich - and since it's next to the border are most foreigners actually German.

That's the thing about racism and xenophobia - the less you are actually exposed to foreign cultures, the more you are afraid.
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