Which Sheep does he mean? - Page 9

#**161** 14.07.2011, 22:58

That was clearly demonstrated in the recent votes.

#**162** 14.07.2011, 23:01

	Quote:	Treverus
	That's the thing about racism and xenophobia - the less you are actually exposed to foreign cultures, the more you are afraid.

Ooh, I dunno. I'm scared of the Swiss, and I'm surrounded by the buggers!

st2lemans · #**163** 14.07.2011, 23:38

	Quote:
	Ooh, I dunno. I'm scared of the Swiss, and I'm surrounded by the buggers!

Yes, I have local farmers driving their cars and tractors and waving to me and beeping their horns! And I'm saying to myself "how drunk was I and what did I do?"

Meanwhile, we have town feste this weekend and next!

Tom

amogles · #**164** 15.07.2011, 00:29

	Quote:	Treverus
	Well, he lives as far out in the sticks as you technically can in Kanton ZH - in a farming village which is a SVP stronghold (43%) while having far less foreigners than the other places in Zurich - and since it's next to the border are most foreigners actually German. That's the thing about racism and xenophobia - the less you are actually exposed to foreign cultures, the more you are afraid.

For somebody who lives in Wollerau, that's somehow ironic

And to save you asking, I live a couple of minutes from Langstrasse.

amogles · #**165** 15.07.2011, 00:40

	Quote:	Dack Rambo
	I live in Geneva, am unemployed and haven't yet turned to crime!

You must be the one honest person in Geneva then. It's a pleasure knowing you.

OSueco · #**166** 15.07.2011, 08:24

	Quote:	smoky
	Nein, not at all .... in no way am I naive .... it is perfectly clear what the SVP are telling their voters. And they certainly know how to use Advertising for their campaigns! The object of which is to bring into focus what they are saying and what they stand for. They are attempting to keep this country in the condition is was before it got over-run by foreigners who have completely different cultural values. People come here .... for what? Other than those employed in their professions, there are those who seek to prey on the "naivety" of a country not accustomed to savagery, theft, disorderly conduct, and civil unrest. So a political party that objects to hosting foreign criminals and makes no bones about their feelings .... is looked on as racist and intolerable because of their political campaign? Those objecting to this, well, it`s none of their business, is it? It`s the business of those who have the vote here, and those who don`t like it, may cast their votes elsewhere.

where SVP fails to consider and what you fail to understand, is that there are A LOT of people living in Switzerland which are born, even their children are born here (3rd generation) without holding a Swiss citizenship...

"These people" (incl. my son) have gone to School here, they know the language here, they do not have any or very little connection to their parent or grandparents country, in the end they are a product of the Swiss society...the only different from a Swiss is that they do not have Swiss citizenship...

to simply say that "these foreigners" should be deported for minor offenses is totally insane and inhuman...

Today it already exists a system for deportation when it comes to heavier crimes AND repeat offenders and it works very well...

#**167** 15.07.2011, 09:30

	Quote:	OSueco
	Today it already exists a system for deportation.

The son is not the only one who has become 'Swissified'. No offence intended- otherwise I totally agree. Generally though, on minor crimes they will probably sort the wheat from the chaff at the Police Station after arrest-does the arrested person fit the profile or not? If it happens, ( of course I am not implying that it would) your son should just plead his case in impeccable British; a British accent is magic it just doesn't fit the profile- unless of course he is a black sheep.- that may confuse things but still allow enough time to get a good lawyer or get a few good Swiss to vouch for him.

marton · #**168** 15.07.2011, 13:02

	Quote:	Dack Rambo
	I live in Geneva, am unemployed and haven't yet turned to crime!

well done

marton · #**169** 15.07.2011, 13:11

	Quote:	TonyBhoy
	feel free to give me a few groans here but i am entitled to my opinion. during my 6 years of working in gastronomie, although the swiss clients are the majority, the majority of problems i have had have been with foreigners. The majority of problems i have encountered on the street and in particular in train stations, have been from foreigners. This also includes british and other english speakers of the world! but mostly ex-yugoslav and italiens. Germans cannot be discounted from the list but the turkish have been in my experiences very friendly. I totally agree with the SVP, if a foreign person commits a crime, dont put them in the swiss prisons where we have to pay for it, send them back to where they came from, let them cause trouble in their own communities, let the country where they were born deal with them in the ways they were brought up with. If i commited a crime, i would have no problems with switzerland sending me home. This policy should also be in effect in britain and every other country in the world. GO SVP!!

About "I totally agree with the SVP, if a foreign person commits a crime, dont put them in the swiss prisons where we have to pay for it, send them back to where they came from"

Clearly you do not understand the SVP proposal. The SVP proposal was to send people back AFTER their prison sentence.

OSueco · #**170** 15.07.2011, 13:12

	Quote:	hoppy
	The son is not the only one who has become 'Swissified'. No offence intended- otherwise I totally agree. Generally though, on minor crimes they will probably sort the wheat from the chaff at the Police Station after arrest-does the arrested person fit the profile or not? If it happens, ( of course I am not implying that it would) your son should just plead his case in impeccable British; a British accent is magic it just doesn't fit the profile- unless of course he is a black sheep.- that may confuse things but still allow enough time to get a good lawyer or get a few good Swiss to vouch for him.

...my son is swedish and he speaks and understands the local dialect fluently

Wollishofener · #**171** 15.07.2011, 17:00

	Quote:	amogles
	Well, the ETH is only one of the top universities in Europe, and Switzerland produces heaps of nobel laueates. But I suppose Switzerland doesn't invest in education, no.

The Swiss Confederation finances the ETH Zürich and Polytéchnique Lausanne, but the universities and schools are a matter of the Cantons.

lala · #**172** 15.07.2011, 23:23

	Quote:	Wollishofener
	Maybe so or not. BUT Mr Brunner does NOT have* fellows, even if he is a fellow*

Can you please explain what you mean? I am not a native English speaker so I may have used a word wrong...