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Old 14.07.2011, 17:34
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Silverback?!!

Your post is so wrong on so many levels. You could have made it much simpler by marrying a Human. But then, you sound like a Cat yourself who loves to haev a furball.

P.S. I like your fantasies, but we're talking Politics.
That's a new one on me- more like a slither back. But, moving on...

No, I like raw intelligence a man who embraces and uses his testosterone.

Politics and emotions are inextricably interwoven, emotions are in fact the most powerful force in politics, so you have to combine emotional abilities with cognitive abilities.

Our emotional reaction to others are often based on stereotypes perpetuated by the media, this is deliberate and politically orchestrated to have that effect. So if a Swiss guy makes a physical pass at me during Fastnacht then I pass it off as high spirits, and laugh it off, but if an Arab guy does it it's sexual molestation and sub-human behaviour, from a race that has not evolved?
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That's a new one on me- more like a slither back. But, moving on...

No, I like raw intelligence a man who embraces and uses his testosterone.

Politics and emotions are inextricably interwoven, emotions are in fact the most powerful force in politics, so you have to combine emotional abilities with cognitive abilities.
Raw intelligence eminates from Testosterones! I knew it, women love men with a lot of intelligence

But more than that, my vocabulary and clognitive abilities limit my grasping of your post which would render any my attempt to answer it fruitless. Not forgetting the limitations imposed on me by nature due to my dyslexic specifications.

But its ok, I have more hair on my body then brain cells.

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Our emotional reaction to others are often based on stereotypes perpetuated by the media, this is deliberate and politically orchestrated to have that effect. So if a Swiss guy makes a physical pass at me during Fastnacht then I pass it off as high spirits, and laugh it off, but if an Arab guy does it it's sexual molestation and sub-human behaviour, from a race that has not evolved?
If a Swiss guy does that to you, you are obliged to say "Thank you" infact mention it in your interview for the Swiss passport at the Gemeinde that "once your ass got pinced by a Swiss guy at a Fastnight" - Its a qualification in itself.

Once I was in a foreign country and my ass got pinched a few times by a foreign woman there. It was very offensive and I had to go home with her to make her understand things. These foreigners I tell ya... they are everywhere you go!
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Old 14.07.2011, 17:52
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But more than that, my vocabulary and clognitive abilities limit my grasping of your post which would render any my attempt to answer it fruitless.
Does one need special abilities to wear these ?! I knew it!!


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Old 14.07.2011, 17:58
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But more than that, my vocabulary and clognitive abilities limit my grasping of your post which would render any my attempt to answer it fruitless. Not forgetting the limitations imposed on me by nature due to my dyslexic specifications.

But its ok, I have more hair on my body then brain cells.
Clognitive-I like that word. I will ruminate on it for a while. Being the animal that I am I like to ruminate occasionally.
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Does one need special abilities to wear these ?! I knew it!!


Are they Geert Wilders?
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Clognitive-I like that word. I will ruminate on it for a while. Being the animal that I am I like to ruminate occasionally.
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Are they Geert Widers?
Possible yes, if shoved up his back side.
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Old 14.07.2011, 18:14
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Do you really believe this thread is racist, just because the tourists' behaviour she complained about happen to be middle eastern ?
Nope,

but I believe some posters on this thread try to make us believe it is only from one cultural background and all coming from the same region. And that only people from that region is doing it.

Not the Op, not most of the posters, just few of them have a ''agenda''.

My only ''agenda'' in this thread is to educate little minded people who believe that it is a cultural thing.... Which it is not. It is just some morons coming from a region who act like they are, morons. Not Middle Easterns acting like middle easterns, because they don't.

Ask any arab, muslims and middle easterns of this forum if this is a normal behavior.

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They did close it before, but you cut & pasted your OP and opened another one.
Sorry? I started a new thread. I did not cut and paste anything. I may have repeated what I said in the original thread.

This whole thing is getting out of control.

Going off on all sorts of tangents which I didn't think it would.
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Old 14.07.2011, 20:02
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Going off on all sorts of tangents which I didn't think it would.
Well you should have. When the Original Post of a thread requires an "I am not a racist" caveat its pretty obvious the sort of waters we're trawling in. And don't worry, some of my best friends are racists.
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It's got to 12 pages now, I may have to go and drink some water from the tap.
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Ask any arab, muslims and middle easterns of this forum if this is a normal behavior.
Its only normal behaviour if you're rich and obnoxious. Not to belittle the OPs experience, but sexual predators exist in every culture, for decades European men have preyed on the poorest and most vulnerable people in places like Thailand, Vietnam, Cambodia etc. There are tour companies which organise package sex holidays for like minded perverts, and forums where they can discuss their conquests. A vast majority of these people are family men, respectable pillars of the community, but then I wouldn't want to generalise
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My only ''agenda'' in this thread is to educate little minded people who believe that it is a cultural thing.... Which it is not. It is just some morons coming from a region who act like they are, morons. Not Middle Easterns acting like middle easterns, because they don't.

When I was working in Saudi, there was an Indian friend who worked along side me. He hated it there because he was treated like excrement wherever we went. The only time people were civil to him were when we came into contact with foreign workers in hotels and restaurants etc. He told me it was the norm and a result of being visibly brown and Indian and working in the Middle East. Subsequently he despises all Arabs. Does that make him a racist or is he just reacting to the environment? I can personally understand his point of view.

When the flat opposite me got burgled last year and I saw the guy making his getaway, the police came round to question me to get a description. After an eternity of trying to give an accurate description of a foreign looking man, the policeman put down his pen, looked at me and said, “So he looked like a Turk?”
“Yes” I conceded
“Makes life a lot easier, doesn’t it?”
You know what? He was right. Does that make all Turks burglars or criminals? Of course not. But it was refreshing, and something that I do like about Switzerland, that I was able to give an honest description without having to tiptoe around the elephant in the room that is political correctness. Low and behold, when they caught the guy, it turned out he was a Turk.

So you can do your best to educate small-minded people like me from the luxurious position of your keyboard. With your subjective newspaper clippings and Internet websites. I think I’ll prefer to use personal experience and travel as a benchmark from which to form my opinions. I’m flying to Doha and on to Fujairah at the end of the month; I’ll be sure to send a postcard.
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“So he looked like a Turk?”
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He looked just like that!


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LMFAO

He looked just like that!


EDIT: see what I did there??
I just bought a flat screen TV off the same guy. He was going to pop by with the remote, but never showed up. Strange, the warranty card was missing and I can only get Ankara and Istanbul based channels, great for belly dancing and winding up the Greeks.....
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Old 15.07.2011, 09:59
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When I was working in Saudi, there was an Indian friend who worked along side me. He hated it there because he was treated like excrement wherever we went. The only time people were civil to him were when we came into contact with foreign workers in hotels and restaurants etc. He told me it was the norm and a result of being visibly brown and Indian and working in the Middle East. Subsequently he despises all Arabs. Does that make him a racist or is he just reacting to the environment? I can personally understand his point of view.

When the flat opposite me got burgled last year and I saw the guy making his getaway, the police came round to question me to get a description. After an eternity of trying to give an accurate description of a foreign looking man, the policeman put down his pen, looked at me and said, “So he looked like a Turk?”
“Yes” I conceded
“Makes life a lot easier, doesn’t it?”
You know what? He was right. Does that make all Turks burglars or criminals? Of course not. But it was refreshing, and something that I do like about Switzerland, that I was able to give an honest description without having to tiptoe around the elephant in the room that is political correctness. Low and behold, when they caught the guy, it turned out he was a Turk.

So you can do your best to educate small-minded people like me from the luxurious position of your keyboard. With your subjective newspaper clippings and Internet websites. I think I’ll prefer to use personal experience and travel as a benchmark from which to form my opinions. I’m flying to Doha and on to Fujairah at the end of the month; I’ll be sure to send a postcard.
If you hate Mddlle-Easterners so much then why fly there? Duh!

This post just prove that ignorance and racism go hand -in-hand and that racial profiling is alive and well in Switzerland. You do know that some Turks (like Greeks) are blonde, blue eyed and/or light-skinned? And they don't all wear Tommy Cooper hats?

These threads are so embarrassing for Swiss international PR. Please anyone reading this who is new to Switzerland we are not all like this.

In fact most of the people who make such statements on this forum are wanna-be Swiss who think that 'acting SVP-like' will help them join the club.

Sadly, they have just been hanging out with the wrong crowd.

It's about time that the Swiss started a petition- I am anti-racist, just to count the numbers.

And don't start with the - I am not a racist but....I had a friend who went to ... and they said....That's just hearsay.
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If you hate Mddlle-Easterners so much then why fly there? Duh!
Where does s/he say that s/he hates Middle Easterners?
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Where does s/he say that s/he hates Middle Easterners?
Deduction, inferential reasoning? he lumps Saudis and Turks together. I think by doing so ( and his extensive travel experience) he is trying to cover the whole Mid-eastern spectrum, while at the same time denigrating them.

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When I was working in Saudi,... He hated it there ....Subsequently he despises all Arabs. ....I can personally understand his point of view.

trying to give an accurate description of a foreign looking man,... “So he looked like a Turk?”
“Yes” I conceded
“Makes life a lot easier, doesn’t it?”
Low (Lo?) and behold, when they caught the guy, it turned out he was a Turk.

So you can do your best to educate small-minded people like me from the luxurious position of your keyboard. With your subjective newspaper clippings and Internet websites. I think I’ll prefer to use personal experience and travel as a benchmark from which to form my opinions. I’m flying to Doha and on to Fujairah at the end of the month; I’ll be sure to send a postcard.
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If you hate Mddlle-Easterners so much then why fly there? Duh!

This post just prove that ignorance and racism go hand -in-hand and that racial profiling is alive and well in Switzerland. You do know that some Turks (like Greeks) are blonde, blue eyed and/or light-skinned? And they don't all wear Tommy Cooper hats?

These threads are so embarrassing for Swiss international PR. Please anyone reading this who is new to Switzerland we are not all like this.

In fact most of the people who make such statements on this forum are wanna-be Swiss who think that 'acting SVP-like' will help them join the club.

Sadly, they have just been hanging out with the wrong crowd.

It's about time that the Swiss started a petition- I am anti-racist, just to count the numbers.

And don't start with the - I am not a racist but....I had a friend who went to ... and they said....That's just hearsay.


I never said that I hate the Middle Easterners, or to cut to the chase, Arabs. In fact as a Brit, I've only ever been treated well over there and welcomed into a number of Arab homes and treated as one of their own. My collegues from other parts of the world however have not had such an easy time of it. And it's this which I hate.

I hate the fact that a lot of Arab's from certain countries don't work but then treat foreign workers as a lesser class of people. I hate the racism. I hate the sexism. I hate the strict Islamic code which they insist must be adhered to whilst at the same time traveling to Bahrain to commit every vice written in the Quran.

What I hate most though is the feeling one is not able to discuss their cultural shortcomings, and they are cultural shotcomings, without being branded a racist.

Believe me, I'm no SVP fan, I just feel that open and frank discussion about such topics are healthy. You say that some Turks are blonde and blue eyed. This maybe true, but let's just take a random sample. The national football team will do, how many blonde and blue eyed Turks do you see there? Of course they all don't look the same, but I think it's fair to say there is a distincitve Turkish appearance? That doesn't make me a racist, it's just a fact.

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Deduction, inferential reasoning? he lumps Saudis and Turks together. I think by doing so ( and his extensive travel experience) he is trying to cover the whole Mid-eastern spectrum, while at the same time denigrating them.
You're really missing the point. I'm not lumping Turks and Saudis together as you seem to think. There's clearly two sparate points being made in the post.
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