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I think in every culture, you have some who brings their ''education'' with them and make a bad reputation for the others.

In Istanbul, the British and australian girls (nannies) give a very bad reputation for the others. So many of them drinks like crazy, act like idiots and f**k every guys the meet. After that, all the others expats single women have the reputation to be easy and gets harassed.

Who is to blame? The guys who thinks it is a cultural thing from those country to have loose behavior from the girls? Or the girls who act the way they are used in their countries with any respect for where they are now?
Nil, I think in this case its not a defence for the way our guests behave here, and I think its why I suggest that some that can (I know youre enjoying the Spanish life now) should visit to see. Its not just about the way the guys chase the girls, its the general level of behaviour here that gets to me as others. Kids running around with those annoying aerosol string spraying in anyones face (is that the fault of the kid, the parent- absent usually, or the street seller?) Using public parks as toilets , etc etc.
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Nil, I think in this case its not a defence for the way our guests behave here, and I think its why I suggest that some that can (I know youre enjoying the Spanish life now) should visit to see. Its not just about the way the guys chase the girls, its the general level of behaviour here that gets to me as others. Kids running around with those annoying aerosol string spraying in anyones face (is that the fault of the kid, the parent- absent usually, or the street seller?) Using public parks as toilets , etc etc.
I am with you on that. No one likes them. Ask any Middle-eastern what they think of those from the nationality of this thread and they will all tell you the same thing.

When my parents In-Law when to Mecca for the pelgrinage (long time ago) they told us, those people were the worst and most disrespectful of all.

If they threat their own mother, sisters and wives the way they do in their country, can you expect them to threat other women better? No.

Let's also not forget that country is build on money from the petrol not from traditions and history.

Is that an excuse? Hell no! But let's say they still have a lot to learn.

You can't buy manners. You just can learn them.
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Re: Our Middle Eastern Guests in Geneva

This is getting interesting.

We nag about "culture" (however you want to define it) not adjusting to rules here. Why would they? Nobody is expecting it from them, since it seems that dollar rules, at least during these festive moments. The minute cops/authorities start reinforcing interest of their local residents against the dollar that they apparently like to worship, things will change.

The kids spraying stuff into people's faces do it since they know nobody will kick their little buttocs. No parents, cops, school. Kids do kids stuff, and it is hardcore if we let them. Tourists from different cultures will do the same they do at home, should they be allowed, mind you they are not here long enough, often, to even know what is and is not allowed here.

So, why myopically point fingers on the said culture (and nationalities, as some posters are trying to pin point)? Will they change if we harrass them here? Hardly. Will they watch out should some boyfriend defend his chick, or they get to sit in jail over night? I think so, it is done elsewhere where dollar is not an excuse to menace the neighborhood...This gives me zero change of opinion on "culture"since I have not even been to their home regions, and do not want to judge from a couple of international hooligans here that most probably make a mess in any place that lets them. This gives me all the opinion I already have about local police/politics here. You gota live in it, to have it, though. What are the locals going to do next....evacuate? Form militia?
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Some people may find it hard to accept but this is a cultural problem. It's a culture that has been born out of unlimited wealth and never having to work to reach ones aims.

Having been working in various countries in and around the Middle East I've grown to loath these people. This is nothing to do with race, it's just a dreadful attitude that most of these people have. What's most shocking is how they treat their fellow "brother" Arabs (Syrians, Egyptians, Jordanians etc.). People from the richer Arab nations somehow think that they're better than them when the fact of the matter is that they do no work. A hard working Syrian in Saudi is treated like a second-class citizen.

Take Kuwait as an example. There is no motivation to study or learn at school because every Kuwaiti citizen knows that they'll be guaranteed a job in "middle management" in one of the huge ministries they have there. They will get a hefty salary, a piece of land, and a lump sum when they are married with which to build a house. Where is the motivation to learn when you know that all this will be provided on a plate to you? A lack of education breeds ignorance and subsequently a behavior that is on display and has been described in Geneva.

What I find most sickening is the sheer hypocracy of it all. Saudi Arabia is a country where they pride themselves on their strict Islamic code. Just spend a weekend in Bahrain and count the number of Saudi's which come across the causeway for an evening of drinking, gambling and whoring.
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Bahrain.......for an evening of drinking, gambling and whoring.
...how much are flights to there?

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And I know a lot of women who do not have "their" men to have around, who are single and have (gasp!) moved away from their families, who are happy to stand on their own two feet, and who still expect to go as they please in their country and city, and not to be treated like a piece of meat while doing so. Most of them also think tourists, even if they're really really loaded, should respect this. Find that offensive and racist? Tough.
i agree, and did not find that offensive or racist. your avatar though, is another story...
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Some people may find it hard to accept but this is a cultural problem. It's a culture that has been born out of unlimited wealth and never having to work to reach ones aims.

Having been working in various countries in and around the Middle East I've grown to loath these people. This is nothing to do with race, it's just a dreadful attitude that most of these people have. What's most shocking is how they treat their fellow "brother" Arabs (Syrians, Egyptians, Jordanians etc.). People from the richer Arab nations somehow think that they're better than them when the fact of the matter is that they do no work. A hard working Syrian in Saudi is treated like a second-class citizen.

Take Kuwait as an example. There is no motivation to study or learn at school because every Kuwaiti citizen knows that they'll be guaranteed a job in "middle management" in one of the huge ministries they have there. They will get a hefty salary, a piece of land, and a lump sum when they are married with which to build a house. Where is the motivation to learn when you know that all this will be provided on a plate to you? A lack of education breeds ignorance and subsequently a behavior that is on display and has been described in Geneva.

What I find most sickening is the sheer hypocracy of it all. Saudi Arabia is a country where they pride themselves on their strict Islamic code. Just spend a weekend in Bahrain and count the number of Saudi's which come across the causeway for an evening of drinking, gambling and whoring.
The culture in question was NOT born out of wealth. The most important countries of that culture have not been wealthy but POOR. It is a culture born out of a rich heritage and tradition but out of meagre financial means. The problems are that some of the most backward regions of that area have become super-rich within less than a century. Which means that lots of those people behave as what they are, "Nouveau-Riches".

Saudis for example frequently get out to places like Aqaba, starting with beer at 11AM, changing to wine at 4PM and to whiskey at 6PM. And at 9PM being laying on the benches half-asleep and fully-drunk

If you speak with people in Cairo, Beirut, Amman and Dubai, they all tell you about the primitive backward idiotic behaviours of those Saudis but will freely admit "we love and need their money"

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...how much are flights to there?
There is a dam with a highway from Saudi Arabia onto Bahrain

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Re: Our Middle Eastern Guests in Geneva

The Title itself is plain wrong.

Middle Eastern? Too general and it imply too many different countries, culture and religions.

It is not all people from middle east, it is a small % of people from one country, maybe.

I also know people from that country who is ashamed of what others make them look like.

Like I know many girls who are ashamed of the other girls who make them look like easy girls.
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Just give it a few years until they run out of oil. Matt Damon in Syriana summed it up nicely....

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The Title itself is plain wrong.

Middle Eastern? Too general and it imply too many different countries, culture and religions.

It is not all people from middle east, it is a small % of people from one country, maybe.

I also know people from that country who is ashamed of what others make them look like.

Like I know many girls who are ashamed of the other girls who make them look like easy girls.
I think unless one can be sure as to the origin of those worst behaved visitors, it would be unfair to label them by their country , lets say then persian gulf, arabian peninsular and possibly north african origin.
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I think unless one can be sure as to the origin of those worst behaved visitors, it would be unfair to label them by their country , lets say then persian gulf, arabian peninsular and possibly north african origin.
That's why I said maybe!
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I think unless one can be sure as to the origin of those worst behaved visitors, it would be unfair to label them by their country , lets say then persian gulf, arabian peninsular and possibly north african origin.
........ or just take the Swiss approach:

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Instant answer to this if it happened to my fiancee and I spotted it, the guy would get a beating. Simple as that.

If I'm not there my fiancee would issue the beating in my absence.

It happens as they can get away with it. Treat it as sexual harassment.

What I dont get is why they pinch legs? What morons.

This is not the middle east, north africa or timbuktoo.
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Instant answer to this if it happened to my fiancee and I spotted it, the guy would get a beating. Simple as that.
Have you actually been there and done that to a couple of big "minders", or are you just mouthing off?
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Have you actually been there and done that to a couple of big "minders", or are you just mouthing off?
He's quite a big lad himself, so I reckon he would do alright...
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I think unless one can be sure as to the origin of those worst behaved visitors, it would be unfair to label them by their country , lets say then persian gulf, arabian peninsular and possibly north african origin.

The folks described above are NOT from North Africa, neither from Lebanon or Syria or Jordan or Iraq or Yemen or Oman, they quite clearly and obviously are from the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia. What IS unfair of course is that Saudi Arabians who behave decently and correctly are blamed also.
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He's quite a big lad himself, so I reckon he would do alright...
That's not what I mean.

More like so:
Is he mentally prepared to physically attack someone (a major problem, and routinely addressed in self-defense classes)?
Is he willing to take on guys who can simply fly home if the police come after them, whereas he will probably depend on his job and could probably do without a criminal record?

Being the tough guy is not that easy in real life.
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That's not what I mean.

More like so:
Is he mentally prepared to physically attack someone (a major problem, and routinely addressed in self-defense classes)?
Is he willing to take on guys who can simply fly home if the police come after them, whereas he will probably depend on his job and could probably do without a criminal record?

Being the tough guy is not that easy in real life.
No it isnt - but there are times when you should take a deep breath and count to 10, and there are times where you have to defend your own/partner's honour.

I dont care what culture you come from but in the civilised world, any arsewipe who disrespects women like that, deserves the shite kicked out of them. Twice over.
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He's quite a big lad himself, so I reckon he would do alright...

its not only size that matters
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That's not what I mean.

More like so:
Is he mentally prepared to physically attack someone (a major problem, and routinely addressed in self-defense classes)?
Is he willing to take on guys who can simply fly home if the police come after them, whereas he will probably depend on his job and could probably do without a criminal record?

Being the tough guy is not that easy in real life.
Do not blow things out of proportion. The culprits meant above are neither violent nor out for a fight, but when being addressed clearly and decisevly will retreat from acting in the way described.
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