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Is he mentally prepared to physically attack someone (a major problem, and routinely addressed in self-defense classes)?
I don't like where this statement is going....
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Just give it a few years until they run out of oil. Matt Damon in Syriana summed it up nicely....

Interesting is to see that Oman for example is working heavily on its non-oil future. In the UAE, only Abu Dhabi has lots of oil, Dubai just enough for its own consumption, and the other Emirates (Sharjah, Ajman, Umm-el-Qiwain, Ras-al-Khaimah and Fujairah almost none at all. A real problem may be at hand in the KSA, but that is decades away.
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Old 11.07.2011, 13:44
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Leave it to the French to show us how it's done.




Now he'll get a lecture from his chick about how she don't need no chaperone .
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Do not blow things out of proportion. The culprits meant above are neither violent nor out for a fight, but when being addressed clearly and decisevly will retreat from acting in the way described.
Fair point, and I have no problem with those saying "I'll address them clearly and decisevly" (or words to that effect).
I do have problems with those going around telling all and sundry how they're going to give a beating to folks or to kick the sh&t out of them. It is unnecessary and in real life, few of us would actually be able to do it.
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Old 11.07.2011, 14:17
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I do have problems with those going around telling all and sundry how they're going to give a beating to folks or to kick the sh&t out of them. It is unnecessary and in real life, few of us would actually be able to do it.
No different from expressing any other opinion on here really.

I am one of those who said it and I know I will do it again - especially when adrenaline and anger are bubbling. Done it before to this bloke who thought that he could grab my arse and get away with it. Two tight slaps and would have aimed a kicked at his nuts if I wasnt held back. Damn
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Re: Our Middle Eastern Guests in Geneva

I know it's very unlike me but I feel I have to play the devils advocate here and mention that more often than not ther is a great coexistance of cultures, of visitors and locals in Geneva that is quite unique.

A lot of Middle eastern visitors come here to enjoy a bit of freedom, to sit in cafés, stroll along the lakeside and be part of the crowd. There are quite a few bad apples but let's not forget that this is still a great meeting place of cultures.

Where else would you meet giggling Burqa clad women giving you flirtatious looks? I don't want to downplay bad behaviour or endorse the current practice all over Europe to look the other way when rich Arabs are involved (let's not forget: Geneva was the only place where that Ghadaffi prick ever got arrested, there were similar cases in London and Paris too) but I think it's good to remember that Geneva is a place where a very diverse crowd can enjoy themselves and who manage to do so without bothering anyone, mostly.
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It's easy I have no problem with this, even if the chap is x3 times the size of me, and if he's a multiple black belt I don't give a shit. He still gets punched.

The point is that he's decided to molest my financee and crossed a line for which I have zero tolerance. Under no circumstances is sexual abuse acceptable.

Other problems I always talk first act later, this is one of my completely unacceptable scenarios.

Surprise comes to play, which means act quickly and decisively with appropriate force. A side ways fist between the nose and mouth has the general affect required. It's a pressure point and disable most attackers if aimed correctly with correct force. Whilst being affective it's not OTT aka causing permanent damage.

I was bought up in a shit hole, full of drugs, chavs and bar brawls and I know how to handle these situations with years of experience in the UK. I come off better in 99% of occasions. It does not mean I actively seek these environments anything but. I am the real deal.

Yes I'd stand in front of a judge and justify my actions. Even if I went down or got a large fine I would do it again.

I have done it in mutilple times real life to defend ex's (and I've the bottle marks on my head to prove it) and I would do it again. Only this time with lot more vigor to defend my fiancee.
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Fair point, and I have no problem with those saying "I'll address them clearly and decisevly" (or words to that effect).
I do have problems with those going around telling all and sundry how they're going to give a beating to folks or to kick the sh&t out of them. It is unnecessary and in real life, few of us would actually be able to do it.

You're right, and further, most who say they would probably actually wouldn't even if they could. But isn't pointing that out kind of, like totally extreme Over the Top?* Like if someone says they're starving you wouldn't take them 100% seriously and call Caritas and an ambulance, oder? I guess it makes for a day's banter.


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I think in every culture, you have some who brings their ''education'' with them and make a bad reputation for the others.

In Istanbul, the British and australian girls (nannies) give a very bad reputation for the others. So many of them drink like crazy, act like idiots and f**k every guys they meet. After that, all the others expats single women have the reputation to be easy and gets harassed.

Who is to blame? The guys who think it is a cultural thing from those countries to act in a loose manner? Or the girls who act the way they are used in their countries with no respect for where they are now?
Who is to blame?

The morons that believe they are representative of a entire nation.

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its not only size that matters
One of my friends used to be a European kick boxing champion he's a midget compared to me.

I sparred with him once, that was enough.

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Old 11.07.2011, 14:56
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The folks described above are NOT from North Africa, neither from Lebanon or Syria or Jordan or Iraq or Yemen or Oman, they quite clearly and obviously are from the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia. What IS unfair of course is that Saudi Arabians who behave decently and correctly are blamed also.
How on earth can you know the origin of these people ? Im actually astounded that unless you are here in Gva that you can be so categoric about that. I like to think I have been around a bit (all those countries 10 times or more) and kind of resent being told what I do and don`t know. I therefore suggest with the utmost respect that you get on your bike and come and sample the experience before dismissing others views.I would add that I am always particularly tactful about identifying the countries of origin of a trouble maker being respectful of all people.
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How on earth can you know the origin of these people ? Im actually astounded that unless you are here in Gva that you can be so categoric about that. I like to think I have been around a bit (all those countries 10 times or more) and kind of resent being told what I do and don`t know. I therefore suggest with the utmost respect that you get on your bike and come and sample the experience before dismissing others views.I would add that I am always particularly tactful about identifying the countries of origin of a trouble maker being respectful of all people.

Zurich has the same crowd on visit now. And I have seen them in Geneva in the past. And I know that it is that particular country which delivers those chaps.

Btw., pocket-thieves those Saudis are NOT, neither are they burglars or car-thieves.
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It's easy I have no problem with this, even if the chap is x3 times the size of me, and if he's a multiple black belt I don't give a shit. He still gets punched.

The point is that he's decided to molest my financee and crossed a line for which I have zero tolerance. Under no circumstances is sexual abuse acceptable.

Other problems I always talk first act later, this is one of my completely unacceptable scenarios.

Surprise comes to play, which means act quickly and decisively with appropriate force. A side ways fist between the nose and mouth has the general affect required. It's a pressure point and disable most attackers if aimed correctly with correct force. Whilst being affective it's not OTT aka causing permanent damage.

I was bought up in a shit hole, full of drugs, chavs and bar brawls and I know how to handle these situations with years of experience in the UK. I come off better in 99% of occasions. It does not mean I actively seek these environments anything but. I am the real deal.

Yes I'd stand in front of a judge and justify my actions. Even if I went down or got a large fine I would do it again.

I have done it in mutilple times real life to defend ex's (and I've the bottle marks on my head to prove it) and I would do it again. Only this time with lot more vigor to defend my fiancee.
In any case , no multiple black belt, nor kick box champion or any other sportsman would accost a woman, were talking about lowlifes and cowards that do that so you have very little to fear.
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Re: Our Middle Eastern Guests in Geneva

A few years ago a friend of mine in London was sexually assaulted by an Arab man whilst out shopping. First he grabbed her butt then when she turned around and complained he said he was only having fun and then touched her boob. She called him a dirty pig and then his tone changed and he got really aggressive with her for insulting him. Then a policeman appeared, he had witnessed it all and asked my friend whether she wanted to press charges. The Arab guy got annoyed with the Policeman interfering and pushed him away. He was promptly arrested for assaulting a police officer. After some encouragement from the police my friend decided to press charges and the guy was charged with sexual assault and assaulting a police officer and resisting arrest.
Over time it transpired the guy's father was of great importance and the police dropped their charges of resisting arrest and assaulting a police officer. But my friend refused to drop her charges so the Arab guy was prosecuted. He was found guilty and ordered to complete several hundred hours of community service. No buying his way out of that one!
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Where else would you meet giggling Burqa clad women giving you flirtatious looks?
How, exactly, can you tell if a Burqa-clad woman is giving any look at all, flirtatious or otherwise. Or did you mean Niqab-clad women?
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I am the real deal.
Did you fix your trousers' hem?
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How, exactly, can you tell if a Burqa-clad woman is giving any look at all, flirtatious or otherwise. Or did you mean Niqab-clad women?
I was once propositioned in a nightclub in Aden by a Burqua clad lady. She asked me to give her usd100 and meet her out the back. I suggested I would rather meet the granddaughter not the matriarch and she disappeared ..... I think.
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It's easy I have no problem with this, even if the chap is x3 times the size of me, and if he's a multiple black belt I don't give a shit. He still gets punched.

The point is that he's decided to molest my financee and crossed a line for which I have zero tolerance. Under no circumstances is sexual abuse acceptable.

Other problems I always talk first act later, this is one of my completely unacceptable scenarios.

Surprise comes to play, which means act quickly and decisively with appropriate force. A side ways fist between the nose and mouth has the general affect required. It's a pressure point and disable most attackers if aimed correctly with correct force. Whilst being affective it's not OTT aka causing permanent damage.

I was bought up in a shit hole, full of drugs, chavs and bar brawls and I know how to handle these situations with years of experience in the UK. I come off better in 99% of occasions. It does not mean I actively seek these environments anything but. I am the real deal.

Yes I'd stand in front of a judge and justify my actions. Even if I went down or got a large fine I would do it again.

I have done it in mutilple times real life to defend ex's (and I've the bottle marks on my head to prove it) and I would do it again. Only this time with lot more vigor to defend my fiancee.
It looks like fighting is one of your hobbies
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Leave it to the French to show us how it's done.




Now he'll get a lecture from his chick about how she don't need no chaperone .
i think this video is from somewhere in russia (or FSU)
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How, exactly, can you tell if a Burqa-clad woman is giving any look at all, flirtatious or otherwise. Or did you mean Niqab-clad women?
You are right, it was a Niqab, I often use the terms interchangeably as to an infidel like me they look rather similar:

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i think this video is from somewhere in russia (or FSU)
correct. russia
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