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Re: ruthless ticket inspector

Thankyou everyone Ive found your comments so useful and its cheered me up. Back to the fighting spirit I would have gladly walked away and told them where to go Im not a wimp in fact ive got a second dan blackbelt in tae kwon do LOL but like you wisely said I didnt fancy the pepper spray and a night in the cells. I had no option than to wait with them whilst they checked the address they acused me of being false was actually correct! However Ive put pen to paper and wrote a 4 page letter of complain I hope it gets sorted Im scared to use the bus now : ( so does anyone know where Hofiesenstrasse 369 8050 is? that is where I have to go to and think maybe go in person might be better. Once again thankyou : ) x
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Re: ruthless ticket inspector

Good for you!

Now, if you really want to make an impact, 4 pages might be a little over the top for the right people to focus on. Be brief, give them the most important details only.

Good luck (and they do not have a cell to hold you in, by the way, they just threaten).
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Old 12.07.2011, 20:02
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Thankyou everyone Ive found your comments so useful and its cheered me up. Back to the fighting spirit I would have gladly walked away and told them where to go Im not a wimp in fact ive got a second dan blackbelt in tae kwon do LOL but like you wisely said I didnt fancy the pepper spray and a night in the cells. I had no option than to wait with them whilst they checked the address they acused me of being false was actually correct! However Ive put pen to paper and wrote a 4 page letter of complain I hope it gets sorted Im scared to use the bus now : ( so does anyone know where Hofiesenstrasse 369 8050 is? that is where I have to go to and think maybe go in person might be better. Once again thankyou : ) x
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Old 12.07.2011, 20:08
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I would be curious to find out. If only there was a source, like a forum or something, where we could ask for answers to questions like that!
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Old 12.07.2011, 21:03
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If you know someone who is German speaking it might help to take them along.

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Thankyou everyone Ive found your comments so useful and its cheered me up. Back to the fighting spirit I would have gladly walked away and told them where to go Im not a wimp in fact ive got a second dan blackbelt in tae kwon do LOL but like you wisely said I didnt fancy the pepper spray and a night in the cells. I had no option than to wait with them whilst they checked the address they acused me of being false was actually correct! However Ive put pen to paper and wrote a 4 page letter of complain I hope it gets sorted Im scared to use the bus now : ( so does anyone know where Hofiesenstrasse 369 8050 is? that is where I have to go to and think maybe go in person might be better. Once again thankyou : ) x
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Old 12.07.2011, 21:12
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Well I meant I think it's illegal to film anyone in Switzerland without their permission. But I don't really know for certain.
However, it would be perfectly legal to ask for, and photograph, their ID card.

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Re: ruthless ticket inspector

http://www.xn--untergrund-blttle-2qb...hrsmitteln.htm

this site might have some useful information about the powers of the ticket inspectors and also private security companies like securitas.
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Old 12.07.2011, 21:33
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Re: ruthless ticket inspector

My main target...Ticket Inspectors.

So there was no reason to issue a fine.
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Dogs are free. Your kid has the right age. You had your ticket. Why would they give you a fine? How comes that our police doesn't see that?

The only thing would be to confirm the age of your daughter. Everthing else is not ok. There is no way that a policeman can search you in public if there is no immediate danger. One cop tried the same with me and I took my wallet and shouted right in his face that what he is doing is wrong.They can bring you to the Cop shop to identify you but as far as I can see there was no reason for that.

These Inspectors are just out of control. If you need some help in translating any complains. I would also have time Thursday morning to go to the Center, also next week from Tuesday to Thursday. Just let me know. They need some ass kicking.

If there is no reaction to the complain there is always the Ombudsmann.
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Old 12.07.2011, 21:56
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This will sound horrible, but at least they are legit. Back home you get ripped off, you pay a fine and then you find out they had fake IDs and weren't even cops/inspectors (they are also known to ask you for your passport and then they take off with it)

It takes a while to adjust to somebody's barking, but I agree with catalyst, no reason to feel intimidated, forgetting something does not exactly equal committing a crime. The reaction of official people should correspond.
Oh, yeah! That happened to me one time in my late teens in Prague. Fake metro cops (big dudes) "fined" me and a friend of mine the equivalent of $8. Since no one was stopping to help us, we paid them and ran. Funny story
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Old 12.07.2011, 22:07
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I was gettin on the bus ...<snip>
Is there more info to this story than you've declared? I just find it hard to imagine them taking such a tough line if everything was as you claim.

Ticket: check
Doggy ticket: n/a
Child: small
Previous violation: yup

Sorry for being suspicious but it's a leap from "Kontroll" to calling the cops on you.

Off topic: I'm not keen on them either. The male inspectors often like to chat up male passengers, and female - female. They're a funny little clique in Zurich, prone to wearing horribly patterned shirts. Some are human, though.
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Re: ruthless ticket inspector

They are ruthless.. Stuff like that makes me really upset I mean, a mom with her daughter and a pet.. Why would they even call the cops? Its not like you were carrying a bomb! Instead of issueing fines all the time they should pay attention to theyr so called "EXCELLENT" public transport.. Trains are filthy dirty, theres hardly any space and theyr very rude!
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Re: ruthless ticket inspector

HayleyJay1 - that is so awful. I really feel for you. I have a dog and a 4 year old, and we use public transport all the time. I think I would burst into tears if an inspector didn't believe my address and called the cops on me.
Thanks to other posters for making me aware that ticket inspectors cannot search me or my bag. I must admit I would probably be too stressed to think about it if this ever happens to me, so at least I know now.
Let us know how it goes.

I am pretty sure that Hofwiesenstrasse 369 is the Oerlikon Station ticket office itself (I used to live in Oerlikon).

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Re: ruthless ticket inspector

Not excusing the way the OP was treated which sounds fairly horrific.

However, if the inspectors were of the view that the OP had committed a transgression and they were unable to ascertain her identity with any certainty, they are entitled to call the police.

Although I haven't found it in national law (although I am sure that it is written somewhere), most villages/towns/cities have it written in their local laws that one is obliged to be able to prove one's identity to the police upon request (which basically amounts to an obligation to carry picture ID).

Two examples:

Zurich: (Allgemeine Polizeiverordnung 551.110)

"Art. 5 Identitätsnachweis
Jedermann ist verpflichtet, den Polizeiorganen auf Verlangen
die Personalien anzugeben, Ausweise vorzulegen oder auf andere Weise seine Identität feststellen zu lassen."


Geneva: F 1 05: Loi sur la police (LPol)

"Art. 17 Contrôle d’identité
1 Les fonctionnaires de police ont le droit d'exiger de toute personne qu'ils interpellent dans l'exercice de leurs fonctions au sens de l'article 3, alinéa 1, lettres b à e, et alinéas 2 et 3, qu'elle justifie de son identité."


With regard to the size of dogs allowed to travel free, the SBB website is quite clear:

"Dogs of any size* travelling in passenger carriages or luggage vans must always pay second-class half fare or the stipulated minimum fare (Day Card for dogs, GA for dogs) if there is one.

* small dogs up to 30 cm high at the top of their shoulder blades can travel with you free of charge as carriage hand luggage provided they are in a carrier, basket or other suitable container"
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HayleyJay1 - that is so awful. I really feel for you. I have a dog and a 4 year old, and we use public transport all the time. I think I would burst into tears if an inspector didn't believe my address and called the cops on me.
Thanks to other posters for making me aware that ticket inspectors cannot search me or my bag. I must admit I would probably be too stressed to think about it if this ever happens to me, so at least I know now.
Let us know how it goes.

I am pretty sure that Hofwiesenstrasse 369 is the Oerlikon Station ticket office itself (I used to live in Oerlikon).
I'm not sure whether this is 100% the case - I am sure there are grey areas, and they would at least have to get your consent, but if they suspect someone of carrying a weapon or drugs or stolen goods I am pretty sure they can search on the spot so long as they have good reason.

Having said that, and in the OP's case, I would agree that they would be on dodgy ground if they are searching someone's bag purely for the reason that person can't prove who they say they are sparked by a routine ticket inspection.

However, if you are in a hurry and/or you've got an increasingly distressed child with you, maybe the best thing to do is just to let them have a look and be on your way. Refusing it could result in a needless and stressful visit to the local police station.
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Re: ruthless ticket inspector

On the last train from Lausanne to Bern tonight, there was a nice, friendly ticket inspector..a rare specimen indeed.
There was a young Thai family and a Swiss couple, who, due to "engine problems" in Vevey, had misssed connections and were going to be very late home - in St Gallen, I think.
The inspector happily issued 5 vouchers for them to have drinks and food and apologised sincerely.
I was gobsmacked, having been here for 18 years and never having experienced such humanity on the trains (last week I had an inspector tell me off for putting my bare - clean - feet on the chairs He was about 20 years old!!) Anyway, I was touched by this guy tonight and realised that some inspectors are actually human after all.
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Next time they ask to search your bag ask them if they have a search warrant. If they don't then they can jog on.
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I would do as advised and write the letter of complaint. I do not know if you have Legal Assurance as they also may help you with this matter.
yes for the letter of complaint. i think no for legal assurance. the transport companies here are entitled to fine someone with a "wrong" ticket or missing supplement (e.g. for bus/trains in the nighttime at weekends). I fully empathize with the OP and find it horrible what happened. The inspectors threatened me also once to call the police if I didn't show them my ID. don't give in, it's best to leave the bus/train at the very next stop. Then complain directly by phone and by sending the transport company a letter (backed by the statement from the ticket counter staff). Their goal is to initimidate you...it's important to stand up provided you had valid tickets for the travelling zone.
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I'm not sure whether this is 100% the case - I am sure there are grey areas, and they would at least have to get your consent, but if they suspect someone of carrying a weapon or drugs or stolen goods I am pretty sure they can search on the spot so long as they have good reason.
Are you talking about ticket inspectors or the police? The police are allowed to search someone but ticket inspectors are not.
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I was told that photo ID is required at all times - swiss residency card or Passport. Certainly when I got caught without the right ticket (one stop outside the zone), the first thing they asked me for was my passport and permit. I had to have both so that they could issue the fine.

My older children have 'family' transport cards, so that seems to be enough to give some 'ID' of sorts, but I guess if I had a 5 year old that looked like a 6 year old, I'd be needing something to identify them...

That said, I got abused by a police officer this week because my 3 year old turned back on the pedestrian crossing to put his feet in the water, we stepped forward 3-4 steps before we realised we'd 'lost' him...and the police man really felt the need to give me a dressing down....I told my swiss coworker about it (she's about 50) and she said that a police man would never have done something like that in the previous generation...they would have had 'better things to do'...
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Are you talking about ticket inspectors or the police? The police are allowed to search someone but ticket inspectors are not.
I meant the police. I think the OP mentioned that the police had searched her bag.
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