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I'm afraid because I don't know if I could handle seeing them again.

Is xenophobia really a fear? From the way I saw it, the malice showed pure disgust that I existed. But not a fear in the true sense of the word, xenophobia.
Agression is a common reaction to a fear. Just as people with claustrophobia get aggressive if you bring them into small rooms...

They are in reality scared of you: Most right winged extremists became what they are through group dynamics - they were usually the underdogs of their school/village/whatever and the skinheads gave them a feeling of belonging and strength - in exchange they only have to repeat the same rubbish paroles... so they are in 99% very very insecure boys that have experienced a lot of rejection and are simply scared of people - let alone some type that looks different... if they were not so stupid and aggressive, I would feel pity for them.
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Old 26.07.2011, 18:41
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First of all, I'd like to say that I feel sorry you had to go through that, and hope you soon discover more positive aspects of Switzerland and meet friendly people who will help you get over this experince.

But I'd also like to say, that taking a certain interest in alcohol myself, I do get to hang around places where there are also people whose interest in the bottle is maybe a bit stronger than my own. In other words, sometimes people get drunk. And drunk people will spout all sorts of nonsense. Probably their sober selves would be deeply ashamed if they could see what they were doing and if you recorded it and played it back to them the next day they'd probably beg you on their knees to delete it. I've heard worse than what you describe from people who in normal life are totally friendly and respectable. So don't judge them by it. Maybe the alcohol helps bring up suppressed sentiments. That is often the case with a lone drunk. But in groups its quite often one trying to outdo the other for the sheer stupidity and pointlessness of what they are saying and there's often no or very little true feeling behind it. I don't know if that will make you feel any better but may help you understand.
I don't know, dude. I've overindulged in the whiskey once or twice (okay round that up to the nearest hundred), but I've never spouted off xenophobic comments as a result . I think that alcohol just amplifies whatever you actually think. If you're a douche, you'll be a triple douche if hammered, that kind of thing.
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Old 26.07.2011, 18:46
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I don't know, dude. I've overindulged in the whiskey once or twice (okay round that up to the nearest hundred), but I've never spouted off xenophobic comments as a result . I think that alcohol just amplifies whatever you actually think. If you're a douche, you'll be a triple douche if hammered, that kind of thing.
I don't either.

But if you haven't heard others do it you've been living a very sheltered life.
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I don't either.

But if you haven't heard others do it you've been living a very sheltered life.
Of course I've heard people say and do stupid things that they wouldn't if sober. I'm just saying that the stuff that usually comes out when you're drunk is consistent with what you actually think. I guess what I'm saying is that I doubt these dudes are actually lovely people, that's all.
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...so they are in 99% very very insecure boys that have experienced a lot of rejection and are simply scared of people - let alone some type that looks different... if they were not so stupid and aggressive, I would feel pity for them.
I would like to think that I could've changed their mindset but I firmly believe that would have been pointless due to the situation at the time.
I feel sorry for them to a point because they carry around all that angst and with it they have the power to cause someone, who's most of the time happy, to be miserable.
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Re: 4 racist men pick on 5ft.2" oriental woman.

I'm always amazed that racism is inversely proportional to how much life experience someone has.

I love it when people tell me their thoughts about people from other countries and "what's wrong with them", and then when you ask them how they know........ oh, they got an email from someone, or some bloke down the pub told them.


Treverus was spot on before.

Racism is driven by fear, ignorance, and insecurity.

....... and you are only afraid of what you don't know.
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Part of me wants to say "Ah, brush it off chickie, people are mean, don't worry about it."

Another part of me (the part that "earned" a scar in a bar fight in her early 20s) wants to tell you to kick their asses. (Thankfully the scar has faded and only shows if I'm really tired or upset... ahh, the follies of youth.)


Reality is that you do need to try to brush it off and try not let it get to you. While doing this also though, YOU need to keep in mind how much such comments bother you, how much you wish people would be more kind and understanding and not be such jerks... and generally act as you would wish to see others act.

I've lived in areas where I was a visible minority because of my coloring. I have freckles. I wear glasses. I have a space between my front teeth. I was an ugly kid with curly reddish-brown hair. I've heard comments in the spirit of which you're complaining basically my entire youth. Now, as an adult, I am fat. I am American. I don't speak German well. I still wear glasses. I still have freckles. I still have reddish-brown hair. Thankfully I'm a little less ugly these days with artful application of makeup... I still hear comments in the spirit you describe.

I try hard to treat people as people rather than as < insert stereotypical discriminatory description here >, they are who they are. If I don't know them, what they say doesn't matter... I treat it as if it is a foreign language that I don't understand.


So, part of me wants to say that you should brush it off and not let it get to you. Part of me wants to tell you to kick some asses (and help you do it even).
But...
Another part of me, the part who has had to deal with mean people her whole life, that part, the mean part of me, wants me to tell you to get over it.
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Old 26.07.2011, 19:07
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im just wondering if you had used kung fu on them.... would that be ironic, poetic justice or just prove their point correct

so confusing these days
It's confusing. I'd like to think that should I have 'kung-fooed my way out' it would be poetic justice.
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Old 26.07.2011, 19:30
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Oh definitely, yes! And I've put them in their place because their opinions weren't, to me, valid. My step-parents are 'white' and we don't see eye to eye on the subject of Muslims. They're racist and yet they adopted an oriental . Now, t-h-a-t doesn't make sense!
They might just be particularly misinformed (hence xenophobic) towards certain religions.

Seriously, I know you must be so cross and hurt. I chose to study in the South West part of England, versus alot of friends who have chosen a more cosmopolitan London. In my first week there, whilst walking home at night with two others, I had a bottle thrown at me by some yobs who were driving past with some unpleasant remarks that I wont even repeat on here.

It missed me by inches. I was so shaken and angry. But I dismissed it as a couple of ignorant f***ks. A couple of months later, I walked into the Burger King outlet on high street. The girl blatantly refused to serve me (despite me standing right in front of her) and signalled to the the bloke behind me for his order when he nicely pointed out to her that I was there first and he was still making up his mind.

At that point, I lost it. That was a battle that I wanted to fight. Banged my fists on the counter and demanded to see the manager. With the bloke behind me as a witness, I complained at the top of my voice and got the biggest apology from the red faced manager. Whether he fired her or not, I didnt care. I just wasnt going to let her get away with such a blatant act of ignorance.

From that incident, it opened my eyes. Coming from a very cosmopolitan city, I was "sheltered" from such atrocious actions. I always had the impression that everyone of different race, language and religion got along and celebrated their religious holidays together (well in my country at least!!). But since then, not so much anymore. However, the biggest knobs in the world out there but they are however, a minority. There are strangers of different skin colour who will stand on the side of fairness. As the world becomes smaller every day, these knobs are the ones who will be left behind with their way of thinking.

Dont let a couple of w@nkers ruin your experience in this country and certainly, dont let it chip your shoulder either

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They might just be particularly misinformed (hence xenophobic) towards certain religions.

Seriously, I know you must be so cross and hurt. I chose to study in the South West part of England, versus alot of friends who have chosen a more cosmopolitan London. In my first week there, whilst walking home at night with two others, I had a bottle thrown at me by some yobs who were driving past with some unpleasant remarks that I wont even repeat on here.

It missed me by inches. I was so shaken and angry. But I dismissed it as a couple of ignorant f***ks. A couple of months later, I walked into the Burger King outlet on high street. The girl blatantly refused to serve me (despite me standing right in front of her) and signalled to the the bloke behind me for his order when he nicely pointed out to her that I was there first and he was still making up his mind.

At that point, I lost it. That was a battle that I wanted to fight. Banged my fists on the counter and demanded to see the manager. With the bloke behind me as a witness, I complained at the top of my voice and got the biggest apology from the red faced manager. Whether he fired her or not, I didnt care. I just wasnt going to let her get away with such a blatant act of ignorance.

From that incident, I learnt that there are the biggest knobs in the world out there but they are however, a minority. There are strangers of different skin colour who will stand on the side of fairness. As the world becomes smaller every day, these knobs are the ones who will be left behind with their way of thinking.

Dont let a couple of w@nkers ruin your experience in this country and certainly, dont let it chip your shoulder

I do apologise for for swearing so much.
Are you a Purple People Eater?
I can't see anything in your public profile, and can't think why anyone in south west England would treat you any differently from anyone else, unless you are a Purple People Eater of course.
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Are you a Purple People Eater?
I can't see anything in your public profile, and can't think why anyone in south west England would treat you any differently from anyone else, unless you are a Purple People Eater of course.
You know that shows your age right?

Wait...are we talking about the same thing?
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Feeling bad that you had to face this situation OP.

Where I come from, there is an old saying.
Its not a good one...but still...

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Cheer up and enjoy life.
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Old 26.07.2011, 19:42
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At that point, I lost it. That was a battle that I wanted to fight. Banged my fists on the counter and demanded to see the manager. With the bloke behind me as a witness, I complained at the top of my voice and got the biggest apology from the red faced manager. Whether he fired her or not, I didnt care. I just wasnt going to let her get away with such a blatant act of ignorance.
That was a brave thing to do that could easily have backfired. You know, foreign people started a punch-up in Burger King sort of thing.
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That was a brave thing to do that could easily have backfired. You know, foreign people started a punch-up in Burger King sort of thing.
You are right - it could have easily backfired. Looking back, I still would have done the same, just not at the top of my voice I guess it was the pent up frustration and residual of the bottle incident prior.

Other than these two incidents, my time in the south west have been nothing but a blast!!
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You know that shows your age right?

Wait...are we talking about the same thing?
Isn't that ageist?
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Isn't that ageist?
Only when I call you an old fart. Old fart
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Only when I call you an old fart. Old fart
Which is ageist, sexist and somewhat rude
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I chose to study in the South West part of England, versus alot of friends who have chosen a more cosmopolitan London. In my first week there, whilst walking home at night with two others, I had a bottle thrown at me by some yobs who were driving past with some unpleasant remarks that I wont even repeat on here.

It missed me by inches. I was so shaken and angry. But I dismissed it as a couple of ignorant f***ks. A couple of months later, I walked into the Burger King outlet on high street. The girl blatantly refused to serve me (despite me standing right in front of her) and signalled to the the bloke behind me for his order when he nicely pointed out to her that I was there first and he was still making up his mind.

At that point, I lost it. That was a battle that I wanted to fight. Banged my fists on the counter and demanded to see the manager. With the bloke behind me as a witness, I complained at the top of my voice and got the biggest apology from the red faced manager. Whether he fired her or not, I didnt care. I just wasnt going to let her get away with such a blatant act of ignorance.

From that incident, I learnt that there are the biggest knobs in the world out there but they are however, a minority. There are strangers of different skin colour who will stand on the side of fairness. As the world becomes smaller every day, these knobs are the ones who will be left behind with their way of thinking.

Dont let a couple of w@nkers ruin your experience in this country and certainly, dont let it chip your shoulder

I do apologise for for swearing so much.
As a result of a bullying incident many years ago, I received a 'caution' by the London Metropolitan Police force. The perpetrator involved was asked if he wanted to press charges against me (he didn't). It was beyond belief at the time because clearly he was in the wrong, he'd started it all with all his provoking comments, and it resulted in me flying into a rage to the point that armed police were called. I was beaten with batons and shielded from the bully, was pinned to the ground by several police officers and advised to walk away, let it go. The bully went away, Scott free. Laughing, no doubt. (And neither of us had had a drop of alcohol).

Yes, it hurts but I've had to learn the hard way that some battles are not worth the fight.
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I am get use to this Kind of racial comments and I never waste my time thinking about those shit.
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As a result of a bullying incident many years ago, I received a 'caution' by the London Metropolitan Police force. The perpetrator involved was asked if he wanted to press charges against me (he didn't). It was beyond belief at the time because clearly he was in the wrong, he'd started it all with all his provoking comments, and it resulted in me flying into a rage to the point that armed police were called. I was beaten with batons and shielded from the bully, was pinned to the ground by several police officers and advised to walk away, let it go. The bully went away, Scott free. Laughing, no doubt. (And neither of us had had a drop of alcohol).

Yes, it hurts but I've had to learn the hard way that some battles are not worth the fight.
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