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fired after the maternity leave

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I have been fired from my work because according to them I was not perfect enough and some other shhhh

I have worked in that place for two years and I came back in march after the maternity leave.

My boss asked me to go to work in the other part of the company which is more heavy work and more stressful. I admit that place is crazy and many people have been fired or leave in the last 2 years but I try as much as possible to do my job. I did not have breaks for the last 3 months because in my breaks I did breast feeding or breast pump the milk for my baby. Even with all the sacrifices that I did to keep my job did not work and now I have been fired and I have to work for another month

Now I am very afraid they give me bad references and I'll not find a good job because of that.

I now Switzerland is not Europe and there are many unfair situations that you cannot do it anything to protect yourself but really they can do whatever they want??

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Old 29.07.2011, 12:19
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Re: fired after the maternity leave

Read this Fired after pregnancy/miscarriage
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Old 29.07.2011, 12:27
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Re: fired after the maternity leave

They cannot do whatever they want - there are some rules. The arbeitsgericht (or similar) makes sure of that so you might want to search the forum for help there.

I know of a case where somebody was fired and not given enough notice or holiday pay and they took the employer to the small claims court equivelant here in Switzerland and the company ended up paying over 9K instead of 1.5K in compensation.

Sometimes the little guy can win.
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Hi Guys,

I have been fired from my work because according to them I was not perfect enough and some other shhhh

I have worked in that place for two years and I came back in march after the maternity leave.

My boss asked me to go to work in the other part of the company which is more heavy work and more stressful. I admit that place is crazy and many people have been fired or leave in the last 2 years but I try as much as possible to do my job. I did not have breaks for the last 3 months because in my breaks I did breast feeding or breast pump the milk for my baby. Even with all the sacrifices that I did to keep my job did not work and now I have been fired and I have to work for another month

Now I am very afraid they give me bad references and I'll not find a good job because of that.

I now Switzerland is not Europe and there are many unfair situations that you cannot do it anything to protect yourself but really they can do whatever they want??

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This might sound rude but from my personal experience this will increase your quality of life in some respects. Enjoy some more time with your baby. Enjoy having some more time to plan a nice evening with your husband. My wife tried to go back to work after pregnancy and it almost destroyed the marriage (most men who leave their wives do so within 18 months of a baby being born). Since my wife quit our quality of life has increased. Now with a couple of years of hind-sight we should have never have let her go back to work to begin with. Your kids will love spending more time with mommy.... Trust me.
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This might sound rude but from my personal experience this will increase your quality of life in some respects. Enjoy some more time with your baby. Enjoy having some more time to plan a nice evening with your husband. My wife tried to go back to work after pregnancy and it almost destroyed the marriage (most men who leave their wives do so within 18 months of a baby being born). Since my wife quit our quality of life has increased. Now with a couple of years of hind-sight we should have never have let her go back to work to begin with. Your kids will love spending more time with mommy.... Trust me.
maybe I'm being a bit dim but it looks like she has come on here for help as she needs the job and the money
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Re: fired after the maternity leave

I'm not disagreeing with you Zuger, but....

The OP is entitled to fair treatment if she wants to work, and it probably is totally legal what the employer has done. In Switzerland almost anything goes when it comes to firing people.

Both my ex-wife and my wife took time off after having children and the child benefits without a doubt. But it is a free choice to be made by the parents.
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maybe I'm being a bit dim but it looks like she has come on here for help as she needs the job and the money
Yes, but I am telling her that she should enjoy her time off. She will get her 80% for a few weeks. As Switzerland has the lowest unemployment rate in the world I am sure this young lady will get the perfect job very soon. Im just encouraging her to enjoy her time a bit. And who knows? Maybe she will find that being a SAHM isnt that bad? How do you know they cant afford it? My wife went back simply because she felt as if she was still part of the company. Not because she needed to work. Thats Switzerland on the white line at 3%.
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Yes, but I am telling her that she should enjoy her time off. She will get her 80% for a few weeks. As Switzerland has the lowest unemployment rate in the world I am sure this young lady will get the perfect job very soon. Im just encouraging her to enjoy her time a bit. And who knows? Maybe she will find that being a SAHM isnt that bad? How do you know they cant afford it? My wife went back simply because she felt as if she was still part of the company. Not because she needed to work. Thats Switzerland on the white line at 3%.
What has being a SAHM got to do with anything the OP is saying?
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What has being a SAHM got to do with anything the OP is saying?
Its the alternative.....
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Re: fired after the maternity leave

Make sure that you get a good work reference( Zeugnis ) from your current employer. If your German is not so good, have someone that
is Swiss or German review it.

My former companies have changed my Zeugnis to my wishes with
the exception of one company. Write them and politely ask for changes
and don't accept NO as an answer.

If you still do not have a good one, get an attorney to write
a letter to the company.

Do you have legal insurance?
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Old 29.07.2011, 14:49
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Yes, but I am telling her that she should enjoy her time off. She will get her 80% for a few weeks. As Switzerland has the lowest unemployment rate in the world I am sure this young lady will get the perfect job very soon. Im just encouraging her to enjoy her time a bit. And who knows? Maybe she will find that being a SAHM isnt that bad? How do you know they cant afford it? My wife went back simply because she felt as if she was still part of the company. Not because she needed to work. Thats Switzerland on the white line at 3%.
she may not be able to afford to take time off and have a cozy family life, she may not be married? You are making many assumptions and also not taking into account that some women WANT to work and be a mum. We're not all happy to be at home tending to our babies and husbands like some 1950s stepford wife

I hope you get a solution OP
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she may not be able to afford to take time off and have a cozy family life, she may not be married? You are making many assumptions and also not taking into account that some women WANT to work and be a mum. We're not all happy to be at home tending to our babies and husbands like some 1950s stepford wife

I hope you get a solution OP
I certainly am not arguing that a womans role is to only bake bread and clean the house while rearing the children (all while dad is playing 18 holes at the country club). But I do feel that the most important job in the world is that of parent.

Most people dont want another person to raise thier kids for them. So I think the stepford crap is a bit much.

I was simply encouraging her to make most of her time off. And if she doesnt have the resources to be a SAHM (many Swiss families dont enjoy that quality of life) then I was saying she should be confident that she can get a decent job as the unemployment rate is very low and thus a high probability of finding work.
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Old 29.07.2011, 15:20
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Re: fired after the maternity leave

Most important job is a parent - a happy parent.

Do you really think if a child is in nursery then someone else is raising them?

Sorry this us off topic but might make an interesting thread split
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Most important job is a parent - a happy parent.

Do you really think if a child is in nursery then someone else is raising them?

Sorry this us off topic but might make an interesting thread split
Perhaps I take more pride in raising my kids than some other people? But yes, I think that the job of any education system is to compensate for the flaws of the parent. NOT to be the institution that raises your children.

Its there only to fill in the gaps. Now I acknowledge that there is the social aspect of children learning to integrate with other kids. But I assume that the teachers are never teaching my kids enough and thus want to make sure my kids are learning and having fun when I am with them.

Perhaps youve never had an alcoholic parent or maybe youve lived a city life? But Ive seen the right way to do things and the wrong way. Most of my friends from school are either in prison or have +4 kids with no job. In hind-sight I can pin-point where the train went off the tracks for everyone of my friends and why it was different for me: Parenting.
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(most men who leave their wives do so within 18 months of a baby being born). Since my wife quit our quality of life has increased.
In all the cases where I've seen this actually happen, the wife has been a lot better off after the split as they married a complete t****r in the first place.


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Since my wife quit our quality of life has increased. Now with a couple of years of hind-sight we should have never have let her go back to work to begin with.
Does your wife also agree with your view or are you speaking on her behalf?
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In all the cases where I've seen this actually happen, the wife has been a lot better off after the split as they married a complete t****r in the first place.
But you would be surprised at how many women regret it and how many of the people end up getting back together. But I agree with you.

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Does your wife also agree with your view or are you speaking on her behalf?
My wife wouldnt go back to work if she had a gun to her head. She has embraced motherhood and enjoys seeing the progress the kids make on a daily basis. Its like building something from scratch and seeing it all come together. SHE was the one who said she regrets not quitting long before.

Spending time with your kids has a very powerful positive feed-back loop. When you see them take to the things youre trying to teach its encouraging for you as a parent as well. Just like working on a major tech project at work (for example) only more so because they are your flesh and blood.

But most SAHM's and SAHD's already know that.
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Being a SAHM is not always the best option for the mother or the kids.. some mothers love it and are really good at being with little children all day whilst others are not, and they are not bad parents or have poor parenting skills because they go out to work.

Staying at home with kids is not the rest that many think it is, it is really hard work.

Me: a SAHM that would dearly love to go back to work for a rest
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Re: fired after the maternity leave

Zuger I find your comments pretty offensive especially to the many working mums AND FATHERS!! In here.

My child goes to nursery 2 days a week - so becaue of this I don't take pride in raising my child? My child is at a disadvantage because of this? He's in a nurser with other children learning independence and playing for 2 days a week - likely 3 days soon.

What happens when you children go to school what will your wife do then? Will she then become an unfulfilled bored housewife?

I would actually have liked to have been at SAHM (i had this view before i went back in June) purely because it would have been an easier life (I felt it was easier anyway) BUT financially it helps me being at work but more so I need a life when my kid grows up and the line of work I am in is the kind you need to keep your hand in. I think being in nursery benefits my son, he's a happy little boy and confident with all people, I believe as a PERSON I need to be happy and fulfilled, feel I have a brain and am using it. I have 4 days with my child and 2/3 days where I am not with him between the hours of 8.30 and 5.30. I am bringing him up not the nursery and I take offense to your insinuating otherwise from your high horse

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My wife wouldnt go back to work if she had a gun to her head. She has embraced motherhood and enjoys seeing the progress the kids make on a daily basis
I'd say Motherhood has embraced me alright in a tight bear hug, tackled me to the ground and has left me bereft of all feeling in a third of my body, not to mention brain

Loving your children, praising them, building confidence, teaching them skills, taking pride in their progress and they way the learn and begin to understand the world has nothing at all to do with whether your a SAHM/D or not. I wonder that if you truly believe that your way is the best way then maybe you will be unable to teach your children the most important lesson of all: not to judge other people and the choices they make.. better to look to yourself to make improvements instead of being wrongly critical of others.

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Re: fired after the maternity leave

@Zuger, I have to agree with Nicky, I did find your posts rather patronising.
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