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Old 01.08.2011, 11:15
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That is an excellent point, but then how does this explain the arrogance of the partners of those who were nasty enough to make big bucks?
Because we tend to mate with those similar to ourselves??
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Old 01.08.2011, 11:35
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Because we tend to mate with those similar to ourselves??
I thought opposites attract.

Oh, and research suggests that money after a certain threshold doesn't make you any happier. Nicer? Eh, don't know. I'll see if i can find the study, studies, whatever.

It is true that not everyone can shop daily...especially with small kids in tow, some pets, logistical or health issues. One could become a slave to grocery shopping depending where you live and what you need.
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Old 01.08.2011, 13:20
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I do feel guilty at checkout when they’re bagging all my groceries. Talk about feeling lazy. ‘Hey, thanks for putting my groceries in my bag. Yeah I could help, but I’ll just watch. I’m exhausted from picking that crap out. You wanna come home and watch me eat ‘em? I’m lookin’ for a buddy.’
--Jim Gaffigan

Good quote!

My house is a mess. Well with the pets we have and both of us working crazy hours i could definitely use a cleaner.

Problem is, i was raised in a house where i had to clean my own room and help my mom as well. So even now i feel guilty to pay someone to do something that i can do with a bit of advance planning (and less lazyness)
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Old 01.08.2011, 13:33
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In my experience character does not change when you have lots of money. What I think influences people is the class division. Typically when I lived in Asia, people never greeted the post man, guards, taxi drivers, sales staff etc.

Just because you pay and as such are situated above them all.

In Switzerland - and that's what I really like about it - that's not the case. My post man puts some chocolate for New Year in my mail box and receives a big cake in return for his family.

I think living here humbles one for the small things in life, which is really great. I would never teach my children that for some reason they are above a certain profession.

The guy picking up the rubbish has not chosen to do so, but rather life circumstances did it for him. So there is absolutely no reason to be arrogant or to expect a service. If people want to give a certain extra service, they will do it without you being bossy or showing them you're above them.



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....does money make nice people bad, or are nice people too nice to make big money?? I think more of the latter personally....you have to be a bit mean and selfish to make big bucks

(Of course, not always true....but generally in my experience)
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Old 01.08.2011, 13:40
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What I think influences people is the class division.
Nail on head!

No matter what people say, it always comes down to class.
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Old 01.08.2011, 13:42
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Not always, but certain countries do promote it even in these days, where equality is quite a big concept.

I can't speak for England, but saw it in Asia.

Luckily not in Switzerland.


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Old 01.08.2011, 13:52
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I can't speak for England, but saw it in Asia.
I can assure you that division by class is still a pretty major feature of life in England. Some people (usually those comfortably installed in the upper-middle class, far away from the class borders) like to think it has all gone away - but it's there, pervading every newspaper article, every television programme, every choice of pub, every choice of holiday destination, every furniture shop and every supermarket.

It's so entrenched in our culture, that I very much doubt it will ever change.

Indeed, as this thread demonstrates, the English even take it abroad with them!
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England pretty much invented the concept of class division. At least it seems like it. When you read things like servants having to turn to face the wall if they ever came across their master in a Victorian household, wow, it just seems silly to me. There are quite a few people that I would consider "better" than myself but they are people who have had a positive influence on the world and they would probably not want me to look up to them.
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England pretty much invented the concept of class division.
Ooh, I don't know. The Romans, the Greeks and the Indians had it pretty much sorted long before we came along with our fish knives and serviettes...
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Old 01.08.2011, 13:56
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Ooh, I don't know. The Romans, the Greeks and the Indians had it pretty much sorted long before we came along with our fish knives and serviettes...
That's why I said "at least it seems that way". But the Romans were civilised enough to give their slaves a day off per year where the roles were reversed.
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It's so entrenched in our culture, that I very much doubt it will ever change.
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Old 01.08.2011, 14:10
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Re: Dear Joos.....

Class division, Hyacinth Bucket – this is what immediately came to my mind

after reading the OP’s first post.

The difference between Switzerland and England lies in the language, too:

nobody is judged on their accent in Switzerland, whereas in England it’s

customary.
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Class division, Hyacinth Bucket – this is what immediately came to my mind
The horrible thing about Hyacinth Bucket is that the programme makes fun of the lower classes who have ideas above their station. The whole thing is a nasty joke perpetrated by comfortable upper-middle class scriptwriters against their inferiors who clearly don't know their rightful place in the world.

Poke fun at some poor deluded woman who wishes to better herself, and make sure that the rest of them stay where they belong, eating fish and chips out of newspaper, betting on greyhounds, pigeon fancying and dying at 35. How quaint!
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Old 01.08.2011, 14:17
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I never found Hyacinth funny, either. I much rather prefer the Upper Class Twit of the Year sketch by Monty Python.
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Old 01.08.2011, 14:18
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nobody is judged on their accent in Switzerland
Really?!?!? I rather think that this is very much not the case.
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Old 01.08.2011, 14:20
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The whole thing is a nasty joke perpetrated by comfortable upper-middle class scriptwriters against their inferiors who clearly don't know their rightful place in the world.
I assume you would be referring to the writer of the series, Roy Clarke, a former teacher, policeman and soldier?
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Old 01.08.2011, 14:24
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Re: Dear Joos.....

I'm a product of an age where the idea of class was, unfortunately, much more prevalent than it is today.
Something I dislike about myself is that, when I am with my fellow countrymen in the UK, I can immediately put people in a 'class box' because of the way they speak, behave and dress. I'm talking about native Brits here, and it's not something I'm proud of, it's just inherent in me and many others of my generation.
It's not a question of feeling superior or inferior, it's just an unfortunate idea of whether someone is of the same 'class'.
What I particularly like about living in Switzerland is that I'm unable to categorize people, because the Swiss are not speaking my language and I can't therefore judge them on the way they speak .The customs are different, and the way they dress too.
As Professor Higgins says in Eliza Doolittle:

'An Englishman's way of speaking absolutely classifies him.
The minute he speaks he makes some other Englishman despise him.'

That conditioning fortunately rarely happens these days, but there are still vestiges of it around.
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Old 01.08.2011, 14:33
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'An Englishman's way of speaking absolutely classifies him.
"Wanna bet, luv?"

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The minute he speaks he makes some other Englishman despise him.'
Now, that on the other hand, explains a lot.
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That conditioning fortunately rarely happens these days, but there are still vestiges of it around.
There are more than vestiges of it around, unfortunately.
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Old 01.08.2011, 14:40
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As there are cases of inverse snobbery ...
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