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That could certainly be one reason. However, I can also imagine that this semi-sensationalist topics, along with propaganda and cut and paste jobs is what the domestic public likes to read (20min and Blick are the most widely read papers). Or one could also assume, that Switzerland's smallish market size doesn't support multiple newspapers in every city.
Having said all that, though, there seems to be greater representation of people here who have at least some grasp on what's going on around them, even if they are regurgitating stuff they read in the newspapers.

On a political level, they are also sort of forced to read the bumf that comes with the voting papers a few times a year so seem more abreast of the facts than, say, the Daily Fail readers in the UK.

The material that comes with the voting papers is quite detailed and contains very little (probably none) bias in any direction. I know that's not really anything to do with the media and journalism but it sort of demonstrates that the Swiss are probably more clued up about current affairs than some other nations.
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Well then they're taking the wrong approach. Newspapers need to add value to news by adding in-depth analysis and varied opinion.

If they just become news aggregators then they're going to lose out to the internet and TV who can react faster to a news story. 20 Minutes, Metro, etc. can get away with it because they're free and deliberately designed to be consumed on the commute.
Theory can be a tough thing to follow.
The recent phone hacking scandal gave us an insight into the UK s biggest selling newspaper News of the World which loses millions of pounds a year. Not much of a future in that.
I don`t expect that any of the red tops nor broadsheets are doing much better otherwise why would News International bother with the red tops?
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There are even smaller markets elsewhere and zero cash to get from good journalism, and it works. I simply think journalists are not going to work over time to push something on people/gov/institutions that they do not wish to have.

Good journalism = good info. Good info = power. Power is micromanaged. Hence the propaganda and lack of good info combo.

Jaysus, I am turning into some kind of conspiration theorist, told myself I would never ever ever do that
I totally agree with your post. I did however not want to turn this into a Switzerland bashing thread once again.
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I know that's not really anything to do with the media and journalism but it sort of demonstrates that the Swiss are probably more clued up about current affairs than some other nations.
..based on what? your personal observations? I highly doubt that they're any more clued in than your average German.
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Re: The death of Swiss journalism

It's demand versus supply. The Swiss don't tend to read newspapers with the same attitude or zest as the French or Brits. Many Swiss traditionally watched the TV for their "news fixes" and theses days commuters scan the freebie tabloids on their way to work. This is not a society that is transfixed to the printed media, so although titles such as the NZZ and the Tagi have been around for ages, they are not the be all and end all of newsfeeds for the masses.

I'm not sure if this is a generalization, but I think that a lot of the Swiss are generally complacent and naïve about worldly affairs, either because they don't bother reading quality journalism or because they just don't care to peek outside of their comfort bubble. (We'll except Wolli from this).

I'm happy with my weekly Köppel fix in the Weltwoche, but that has a conservative leaning and seems to seek assertiveness over other publishing houses more often than not rather than putting journalism first. I would bring German publishers under scrutiny too; they seem to push effort into their weekly magazines rather than their daily press which tends to be more regional than the UK for example.
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..based on what? your personal observations? I highly doubt that they're any more clued in than your average German.
I meant home current affairs. Judging by the stack of voting papers they have to go through each year, at least some of it must sink in.

Does Germany have that level of voting for every twiddly thing?
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Let's put a positive spin on this, though, and list papers and journals that EFers consider good quality?
With love and respect - strange modding to try to turn the thread from "Swiss journalism is poor" to "which publications do you like?"

As some mods might say......"start your own thread"

Just sayin'
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I totally agree with your post. I did however not want to turn this into a Switzerland bashing thread once again.
Hey, this is not CH bashing, although the word death in your title might insinuate that, hahaha..I actually like a bit of that peace and bubble life. Makes me work for the info harder, instead of constantly having it shoved in my face like home.
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It's demand versus supply. The Swiss don't tend to read newspapers with the same attitude or zest as the French or Brits. Many Swiss traditionally watched the TV for their "news fixes" and theses days commuters scan the freebie tabloids on their way to work. This is not a society that is transfixed to the printed media, so although titles such as the NZZ and the Tagi have been around for ages, they are not the be all and end all of newsfeeds for the masses.
Don't forget that t'internet has probably played a part in drops in readership everywhere. We don't get a newspaper at home but tend to scan through 5 or 6 different Swiss and international newspapers / publications online.

Traditionally people were loyal to one newspaper, nowadays people can read the same news item on an infinite number of media sources without leaving their sofa.

20 Minuten and the other freebies are just a means to help you avoid eye contact on the commute...
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Re: The death of Swiss journalism

I think it is a dilution thing....I can't believe how many daily papers are printed in this small country.......

It is astonishing to me that Thun (pop 42000) has a daily newspaper - how can that be a sustainable business with such a small pool?

Interestingly Switzerland has the same number of daily newspapers (104) as the UK with a population 8 times less - makes sense that there is not enough money to attract high quality journalism even before the rise of "new media"
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I think it is a dilution thing....I can't believe how many daily papers are printed in this small country.......

It is astonishing to me that Thun (pop 42000) has a daily newspaper - how can that be a sustainable business with such a small pool?

Interestingly Switzerland has the same number of daily newspapers (104) as the UK with a population 8 times less - makes sense that there is not enough money to attract high quality journalism even before the rise of "new media"
4 languages might have something to do with it...
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Why would I rant about the quality of Swiss newspapers if I couldn't them?
Makes me giggle when somebody gets p*ssy about their language ability and makes a typing mistake because they are so mad about what somebody implied about them......done it myself several times - God bless the Edit button
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Well - I agree - but what do you think goes on in Thun on a DAILY basis, that couldn't be covered by the Interlaken or Bern papers??

Not trying to be parochial - its just an example that I know well

(Trying to resist the temptation to go down the "Nothing happens in Thun on an ANNUAL basis" route )
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20 Minuten and the other freebies are just a means to help you avoid eye contact on the commute...
Very true. But also, compared to other (already bad) foreign free press (say METRO, which is internationally understandable) they are particularly stupid, and sometimes truly unreadable (although I understand the "weird pics" section of Blick must remain a hit among thirteen year old males...I always stay focused on when the giggling starts on the train ).

I think the problem is the convergence of non-free press to the same standards, which does not happen only in Switzerland, unfortunately. It doesn't seem like a smart strategy either, given that the competition is EVERYTHING on the Internet, but it's a time of great change for press in general: either they figure it out fast, or they're going to be replaced.
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Re: The death of Swiss journalism

I personally found the articles are heavily biased and most news-stories seem to be a cut a paste job from either a police report or a foreign paper.
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Re: The death of Swiss journalism

Tabloilds aren't journalism, no? It's entertainment...or, my daily French lessons, just wish there were fewer mistakes.
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Well - I agree - but what do you think goes on in Thun on a DAILY basis, that couldn't be covered by the Interlaken or Bern papers??

Not trying to be parochial - its just an example that I know well

(Trying to resist the temptation to go down the "Nothing happens in Thun on an ANNUAL basis" route )
Must be some great gossip and rumors going in Thun. "Vreni from the Turnverein was seen sharing a coffee with Fritz from the Fire Brigade; they're both happily married, just not with each another....".

Small regional papers live off advertizing revenue, period. Pure circulation will barely (if ever) cover publishing and distribution overheads, especially with the pricing demands of the Kiosk chain (Valora) who are blood suckers when it comes to profit margins.
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Tabloilds aren't journalism, no?
Correct. They are what the Taliban suffer from after spending long periods sat on desert rocks waiting for a target...

I read it on the internet so it must be true.
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Re: The death of Swiss journalism

What I also find insulting are the prices some of those local papers go for. I believe that this is the main reason why more and more people start reading their news online.
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What I also find insulting are the prices some of those local papers go for. I believe that this is the main reason why more and more people start reading their news online.
I cant even remember the last time I've bought a paper

As far as news sources go, my homepage is set to the New York Times. Really well written articles.
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