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Old 16.08.2011, 10:03
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Nothing different than the way most all newspapers do it in the States. I worked 13 years for a newspaper in California and we subscribed to the AP (Associated Press) wire service. We took articles from the wire service, cut them down in size (if needed) and pasted them into our newspaper.

AP wiki: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Associated_Press

News wire agencies: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/News_agency

AP website: http://www.ap.org/
Certainly, however what about the local newsarticles, which cannot come through some sort of main source of information? Or the poor and biased reporting you see in the local papers on a daily basis. I feel that it's a grave state of journalism, when 95% of a paper's content is basically washdown and prepped to fit the "insert city here" Daily.
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Old 16.08.2011, 21:02
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Certainly, however what about the local newsarticles, which cannot come through some sort of main source of information? Or the poor and biased reporting you see in the local papers on a daily basis. I feel that it's a grave state of journalism, when 95% of a paper's content is basically washdown and prepped to fit the "insert city here" Daily.

YOU used the word "death" above and quite rightly so in regard to local newspapers, both in Europe and in the USA. If you manage a local newspapers, then you have to
> reduce costs by sharing news+articles with a big paper
> sell your paper to a big paper
> share news+articles with a group of other locals
OR .... simply give UP and wind down the company !!

In the bigger newspapers, must of the contents is either news or articles. In case of "chains" the editors of course drop articles which are useless in their place, and may insert an article written locally. The job to produce a "filler" in most papers goes to newcomers, who often find it difficult to produce a good article in no time. Do not forget that most of a morning newspaper has to stand at 18.00, but that the news are updated until somewhere between 22.30 and 01.00. A last time change may be brought about by the night-editor in charge, and he may give a last minute job to a journalist-on-guard, who will have to finish within less than an hour.

Overall, papers like TA, NZZ, Basler Zeitung and Le Temps are quite good. And the same applies to papers like LeMonde, Liberation, Frankfurter Allgemeine and Süddeutsche. Most of these papers are linked to "satellite-papers" who take over vast sections of the "leader-paper" and so can stay in existence.

Here you can look up the TA group
http://www.tamedia.ch/de/Produkte/Ze...zeitungen.aspx
which includes BUND & Berner Zeitung

and here the NZZ group
http://nzzmediengruppe.ch/produkte/zeitungen/

and the the BAZ
http://www.baslerzeitungmedien.ch/bazm/f_b.cfm

You of course can say that all those group-members should be integrated into the big ones, but such a move would be bad marketing-wise, would be bad as there no longer were local articles and of course would NOT be appreciated locally

Magazines on many topics are fighting for survival, and insiders are not speculating WHETHER one of them is to go but about WHICH one is next to go. For example, in civil aviation, WAFN World Airline Fleets News, a British magazine also popular with many people here, recently had to give up, as the costs could no longer be covered by the declining subscribers base. Flight International this year had to terminate the NL published "Euro JP" they had taken over together with "JP". The Euro-JP apparently no longer made any commercial sense.

Most newspapers nowadays have the main-paper which is sold and a free paper which is financed over the advertising.

Back to the quality. The journalistic quality now is neither better nor worse than in the 1960ies.

Even if clearly the internet may lead some journalists to simply "copy, paste, manipulate" and so save lots of time.

The old letter-printing-methods of the pre-1970 times had the advantage that the lectors looked through all texts for mistakes and even the printers could check up a bit, while the computer programs makes routine-controls of texts plus the editing miles easier. And the better editing process makes the papers easier to read.
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Old 16.08.2011, 21:13
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Certainly, however what about the local newsarticles, which cannot come through some sort of main source of information?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schweiz...peschenagentur
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YOU used the word "death" above and quite rightly so in regard to local newspapers, both in Europe and in the USA. If you manage a local newspapers, then you have to
> reduce costs by sharing news+articles with a big paper
> sell your paper to a big paper
> share news+articles with a group of other locals
OR .... simply give UP and wind down the company !!

In the bigger newspapers, must of the contents is either news or articles. In case of "chains" the editors of course drop articles which are useless in their place, and may insert an article written locally. The job to produce a "filler" in most papers goes to newcomers, who often find it difficult to produce a good article in no time. Do not forget that most of a morning newspaper has to stand at 18.00, but that the news are updated until somewhere between 22.30 and 01.00. A last time change may be brought about by the night-editor in charge, and he may give a last minute job to a journalist-on-guard, who will have to finish within less than an hour.

Overall, papers like TA, NZZ, Basler Zeitung and Le Temps are quite good. And the same applies to papers like LeMonde, Liberation, Frankfurter Allgemeine and Süddeutsche. Most of these papers are linked to "satellite-papers" who take over vast sections of the "leader-paper" and so can stay in existence.

Here you can look up the TA group
http://www.tamedia.ch/de/Produkte/Ze...zeitungen.aspx
which includes BUND & Berner Zeitung

and here the NZZ group
http://nzzmediengruppe.ch/produkte/zeitungen/

and the the BAZ
http://www.baslerzeitungmedien.ch/bazm/f_b.cfm

You of course can say that all those group-members should be integrated into the big ones, but such a move would be bad marketing-wise, would be bad as there no longer were local articles and of course would NOT be appreciated locally

Magazines on many topics are fighting for survival, and insiders are not speculating WHETHER one of them is to go but about WHICH one is next to go. For example, in civil aviation, WAFN World Airline Fleets News, a British magazine also popular with many people here, recently had to give up, as the costs could no longer be covered by the declining subscribers base. Flight International this year had to terminate the NL published "Euro JP" they had taken over together with "JP". The Euro-JP apparently no longer made any commercial sense.

Most newspapers nowadays have the main-paper which is sold and a free paper which is financed over the advertising.

Back to the quality. The journalistic quality now is neither better nor worse than in the 1960ies.

Even if clearly the internet may lead some journalists to simply "copy, paste, manipulate" and so save lots of time.

The old letter-printing-methods of the pre-1970 times had the advantage that the lectors looked through all texts for mistakes and even the printers could check up a bit, while the computer programs makes routine-controls of texts plus the editing miles easier. And the better editing process makes the papers easier to read.
You're aforementioned papers (TA, NZZ, BAZ) I actually find to be terrible. My main beef with them is that 95% of the content is coppied and the remaining 5% is rather dull and biased. I understand that a column writer can represent a certain opinion but if they keep coming up with insipid articles just like this one: http://bazonline.ch/schweiz/standard...story/16130052 which adds no value to anything other than stirring up anti-American sentiments, then it is fair to say, that Swiss journalism is in a very grave state.

I wasn't around in the 60s or 70s and therefore, I cannot comment on how newspapers were back then...but I am confident to say, that it couldn't have been worse.
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Re: The death of Swiss journalism

We have a subscription to the local paper, La Liberté, which is nice for keeping up to date with things in and around Fribourg. I think it's actually not too shabby for a local newspaper and is normally quite well written.
For international and UK news, I stick to the Telegraph website.
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We have a subscription to the local paper, La Liberté, which is nice for keeping up to date with things in and around Fribourg. I think it's actually not too shabby for a local newspaper and is normally quite well written.
For international and UK news, I stick to the Telegraph website.
Out of curiosity. What time does your paper arrive in the morning? The local paper here in Olten arrives pretty late and you won't be able to have your copy on your commute to work.
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You're aforementioned papers (TA, NZZ, BAZ) I actually find to be terrible. My main beef with them is that 95% of the content is coppied and the remaining 5% is rather dull and biased. I understand that a column writer can represent a certain opinion but if they keep coming up with insipid articles just like this one: http://bazonline.ch/schweiz/standard...story/16130052 which adds no value to anything other than stirring up anti-American sentiments, then it is fair to say, that Swiss journalism is in a very grave state.

I wasn't around in the 60s or 70s and therefore, I cannot comment on how newspapers were back then...but I am confident to say, that it couldn't have been worse.
I've been reading both the tagi and the NZZ for many years. Your claim that 95% of the articles are just copy/paste-jobs is obviously false. Certainely, you failed to give any concrete evidence to substantiate this claim. Lets take today's NZZ as an exemple. Could you tell me which articles are just copied?

You also completely failed to understand the contents of the article in BAZ. It's not a column reflecting the oppinion of the journalist. It's just a summary of the reader's reaction to an other online article. Wihle I agree that it's a rather poor and boring piece of journalism you can't draw any conclusions just on the basis of a single online article.
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I've been reading both the tagi and the NZZ for many years. Your claim that 95% of the articles are just copy/paste-jobs is obviously false. Certainely, you failed to give any concrete evidence to substantiate this claim. Lets take today's NZZ as an exemple. Could you tell me which articles are just copied?

You also completely failed to understand the contents of the article in BAZ. It's not a column reflecting the oppinion of the journalist. It's just a summary of the reader's reaction to an other online article. Wihle I agree that it's a rather poor and boring piece of journalism you can't draw any conclusions just on the basis of a single online article.
I am not going to disect a newspaper and tell you which ones are copy and paste jobs. A simple glance over an you'll realize that it is how I described it. The few things they actually do write themselves are pointless drivel, which they just put in to fill in the blanks between the copied material. Like this article here: http://www.nzz.ch/nachrichten/wirtsc....11935506.html Which describes the slow decline of movie rental companies. You might as well could add an article about the steel industry of the 70s and you'll fulfill the same purpose.

I understand, that the BAZ article is not a column and I just used it as an example, that it is a rather pointless piece of useless information. What's the point of putting a summary of readers reaction, followed by some more viewer reactions in the comment section? Can you explain that to me?
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Out of curiosity. What time does your paper arrive in the morning? The local paper here in Olten arrives pretty late and you won't be able to have your copy on your commute to work.
Never before I leave for work. I browse through it in the evenings when I get in.
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I understand, that the BAZ article is not a column and I just used it as an example, that it is a rather pointless piece of useless information. What's the point of putting a summary of readers reaction, followed by some more viewer reactions in the comment section? Can you explain that to me?
You actually wrote in your earlier post that the article was a column reflecting the journalist's oppinion. You've come now to the conclusion that you were wrong. I'm ok with that. And, as I wrote before, I agree it's a poor article.
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I am not going to disect a newspaper and tell you which ones are copy and paste jobs. A simple glance over an you'll realize that it is how I described it. The few things they actually do write themselves are pointless drivel, which they just put in to fill in the blanks between the copied material. Like this article here: http://www.nzz.ch/nachrichten/wirtsc....11935506.html Which describes the slow decline of movie rental companies. You might as well could add an article about the steel industry of the 70s and you'll fulfill the same purpose.
Where did the NZZ-journalist copy from in the article about the decline of movie rental companies? Could you provide any evidence?

There's also a big difference between the paper edition of the NZZ and its online version. Most of the interesting articles in the NZZ aren't puplished online, so readers will continue to buy the paper edition.
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You actually wrote in your earlier post that the article was a column reflecting the journalist's oppinion. You've come now to the conclusion that you were wrong. I'm ok with that. And, as I wrote before, I agree it's a poor article.
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Where did the NZZ-journalist copy from in the article about the decline of movie rental companies? Could you provide any evidence?
I never implied that this article was copied. As a matter of fact, here is what I wrote,
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There's also a big difference between the paper edition of the NZZ and its online version. Most of the interesting articles in the NZZ aren't puplished online, so readers will continue to buy the paper edition.
Most articles that are put to paper will also appear in the online version of the paper.
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You're aforementioned papers (TA, NZZ, BAZ) I actually find to be terrible. My main beef with them is that 95% of the content is coppied and the remaining 5% is rather dull and biased. I understand that a column writer can represent a certain opinion but if they keep coming up with insipid articles just like this one: http://bazonline.ch/schweiz/standard...story/16130052 which adds no value to anything other than stirring up anti-American sentiments, then it is fair to say, that Swiss journalism is in a very grave state.

I wasn't around in the 60s or 70s and therefore, I cannot comment on how newspapers were back then...but I am confident to say, that it couldn't have been worse.

I fully agree in regard to the article you quoted. And I agree that much is copycat. But this is not new at all. Happily into the 70ies, Swiss newspapers were handcuffed by the law-link to the SDA Schweizerische Depeschen-Agentur and were not allowed to have news printed before the SDA had it on the (union owned) radio. Like the SDA, most (Mafia-like) national news agencies in the world have some control over the media, or if not are closely intertwined with the media as is the case regard to AFP in France. And again, if you read newspapers like the Dallas Morning News, the Guardian, LeMonde, Liberation, FAZ, Süddeutsche, NZZ, TA, Corriere della Sera, l'Orient le Jour, Khaleej Times etc, you can see that a lot of inputs simply are reproductions of what the news agencies give out. The journalists of the local or national or regional media do not have the time to work much about it.

And I can say quite confidently that it WAS worse. ! Now, every more or less professionally done "Gratis" paper gives more value per page than the "serious papers" then
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We have a subscription to the local paper, La Liberté, which is nice for keeping up to date with things in and around Fribourg. I think it's actually not too shabby for a local newspaper and is normally quite well written.
For international and UK news, I stick to the Telegraph website.
I have read the Liberté at times, but of course LiB will tell you that a lot of the content IS taken over from elsewhere. This in the end is not so bad, as what we all want is to be informed. I in 2003, during the "War on Iraq" regularily over the internet informed myself out of the SMH (Sydney Morning Herald) and the ABC-AU (Australian Broadcasting Corporation) who both were most up-to-date and very very objective . Not really new to me as I during the start phase of the Falkland War was in Texas with the local media not being interested in NON-TX affairs and so over short-wave radio listened to "Radio Canberra" ! Those "Down Unders" may have their disadvantages and problems, just as everybody, but their mediafolks are good !
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Prime example of bad journalism: Geneve became just like the Bronx

http://bazonline.ch/schweiz/standard...story/16426767


Why did they mention the Bronx? For what purpose?
The following links show, that the Bronx is actually a safer place than Geneva.

www.bfs.admin.ch/bfs/portal/de/index/.../19/.../publ.Document.129574.pdf

http://www.neighborhoodscout.com/ny/bronx/crime/

Also, it's ridiculous, how the compare a borough of 1.4 million inhabitants to a city in Switzerland with roughly 195k inhabitants.

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The only newspaper I find to be worth my money is Le Monde Diplomatique. Of course being monthly it's more of a magazine than a newspaper...
For your everyday-local-news I just read the EF!
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This morning, I hailed from the Bern area and since I'm not all too familiar with "Der Bund", I figured I'd give it a try. To my disappointment and surprise, der Bund scores pretty low compared to the other Swiss-German main papers (NZZ, BAZ...etc.). It's filled with nonsense. 45+ pages on pointless drivel. There was one brief interesting page (p. 34 I believe), which had some info on a new incest case in Austria (similar to the Fritzl story), some thread about the hurricane Irene and something about being allowed to shoot free roaming cats...seriously now, can't Bern do any better?! I must admit..and please don't tell anyone...but I'd much rather read 20min...or even...yes yes even Blick instead of "Der Bund".
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The Romandie paper I sometimes read is "Le Temps". Quite well done, I think

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Apparently, 20min has finally released the long awaited app. How many of you will be downloading the virtual toilet paper?
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Apparently, 20min has finally released the long awaited app. How many of you will be downloading the virtual toilet paper?
Now you have mentioned it, I'm giving it a go today. D/ling right now!
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