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Old 17.08.2011, 11:08
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I don't get it.
Didn't you know foreigners are all dirty, filthy animals - who commit all the crime and take the jobs of hard working swiss people. They are the embodiment of all that is wrong in the world - and are a stain on the rightous Swiss country.

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...deep south down in Watchland (La Chaux-de-Fonds aren't we proud of you):
How is La chaux de fonds south?
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Easy to say when you don't belong to a small minority of a different skin color or religion...

I find them pretty offensive, Indeed!

But you dont even live in CH!
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I know a number of folks who cross the border everyday from the French side to work in La Chaux de Fonds and Le Locle, many would like to live in those towns but can't get the permit. Most of the watch companies there and in the Vallee de Joux are staffed by a majority of French (and to a lesser degree a few other nationalities), and all that money paid in salary goes over the border each month. Wouldn't it make sense to keep it here? At the price of some permits? I don't get it.
It is virtually French there too, all but for a silly few poles with roofs on & a couple of (very French) Swiss border guards.
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Old 17.08.2011, 11:10
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Re: Complain to the SBB about the posters

My two rappen worth:
By all means, complain to them and tell them that their posters are offensive to you. That is your right for free speach in the country.

Don't expect them to do anything as they are only practicing their free speach.

As an aside, I do find these posters offensive as I am a recent immigrant, invited to the country to take up a job and this makes me feel very un-welcome but I understand that they are just an insecure little bunch of people that really cannot adjust to being part of the big scary world and although I agree that unlimited immigration anywhere can be a problem, it is about how you share that message that tells the rest of the world what sort of organisation you are.
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Can we agree that advertising pork sausages or beer in an area where Muslims happen to be as well is less offensive than the SVP campaign? One says "buy me", the other one "we don't want you living here" to a fairly large part of society...

I used to find those posters fairly offending and frankly speaking very bad advertisement for Switzerland - Millions of tourists have seen them and any Swiss politician makes an idiot out of himself when he talks about tolerance and openess to an international audience now. Most European countries have some radicals putting up similar posters, but here it is the largest party... I personally think that it does backfire but unfortunately only in a hidden way.

I don't think that protesting about them to the SBB is the right way. Telling the SVP "I am actually conservative and agree to many of your values, for example that Switzerland should not join the EU. But I won't vote for you as I find your campaigns and speeches to stupid and populistic. If you'd only be a little more reasonable..." might be a better approach.
True but if I was a tourist I would think the Swiss were thick as shite when seeing these (when most aren't of courseor are they?).
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How is La chaux de fonds south?
South Switzerland, no?
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Old 17.08.2011, 11:18
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South Switzerland, no?
That would be Ticino . La Chaux is about as far south as St. Gallen
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My two rappen worth:
By all means, complain to them and tell them that their posters are offensive to you. That is your right for free speach in the country.

Don't expect them to do anything as they are only practicing their free speach.

As an aside, I do find these posters offensive as I am a recent immigrant, invited to the country to take up a job and this makes me feel very un-welcome but I understand that they are just an insecure little bunch of people that really cannot adjust to being part of the big scary world and although I agree that unlimited immigration anywhere can be a problem, it is about how you share that message that tells the rest of the world what sort of organisation you are.
History tells us that often these campaigns do nothing other than polarize, they don't tend to attract new voters, just strengthen the existing voter base.

For the British out there.....a good example of "give them enough rope to hang themselves" is Nick Griffin of the BNP appearing on Question Time. Support diminished when people realised that he (like Brunner) is hardly the sharpest knife in the drawer

Anway, Colin, why do they make you feel unwelcome? Its not about the Swiss, its about the SVP - and it can't be a shock that a right wing party like them would rather that your job had gone to one of their members than to you?? (Except that their members are more likely to be currently kissing cows than doing what you do. Probably)
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Old 17.08.2011, 11:20
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How is La chaux de fonds south?
That's what I was thinking.

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South Switzerland, no?
If you were to draw a line horizontally across Switzerland I gues it would be about the middle. (or slightly north of the middle) I cewrtainly wouldn't class it as South Switzerland.
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Old 17.08.2011, 11:26
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Anway, Colin, why do they make you feel unwelcome? Its not about the Swiss, its about the SVP - and it can't be a shock that a right wing party like them would rather that your job had gone to one of their members than to you?? (Except that their members are more likely to be currently kissing cows than doing what you do. Probably)
They are around 30%. That's not "some party", it's one third of the population that votes for them and their smear campaigns. I don't care that 95% of those do not have a higher education (source), but I do care that one third of the people on the street don't want me to be here.
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Old 17.08.2011, 11:27
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Re: Complain to the SBB about the posters

Was initially disgusted when I first came to this country but now, I am just apathetic. is that bad?

At the end of the day, these posters means advertising revenue for the SBB and they arent going to turn it down.

But they dont think about ripple effect that these posters cause to the image of Switzerland. Loads of tourists travel through the ZH HB daily, what will they think? For example, they caught the eye of my friend who visited me recently and she was predictably horrified that such sentiments are allowed to be broadcasted so publicly - even when I tried explaining that these sentiments do not reflect majority of the Swiss population.

She remarked that whilst freedom of speech is good, to display such posters in tourist prominent places just gives the world the impression that Switzerland really isnt that welcoming a place afterall - even to her as a tourist. She even took some pictures, up they went on FB and no prizes for guessing the reaction to those pictures. I am no Swiss citizen, but I love my adopted home (on most days) and felt truly ashamed.
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Re: Complain to the SBB about the posters

This, at least, is a free country, where a citizen one can express his feelings and ideas. I am Swiss, living here for my entire life.....the cost of living has been rising since they opened the borders, very much so. I can't to buy a house here in the region due to international companies bying all property for their managers..that is no good....
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They are around 30%. That's not "some party", it's one third of the population that votes for them and their smear campaigns. I don't care that 95% of those do not have a higher education (source), but I do care that one third of the people on the street don't want me to be here.
The problem is their are auslanders - and there are AUSLANDERS! The SVP voters fear the latter - they associate them with crime, laziness and a desire not to integrate.

They perhaps don't realise that a huge chunk of the wealth of Switzerland was built on the talent of auslanders.
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Re: Complain to the SBB about the posters

Can I just ask, how many Western politicians have actually stated that mass immigration is a good thing?
Such sentiments as expressed in the posters are not unique to the SVP or Switzerland as a country.
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Old 17.08.2011, 11:34
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Anway, Colin, why do they make you feel unwelcome? Its not about the Swiss, its about the SVP
It is just a instinctive reaction but then I am sure that is what they want from the campaign and posters. One is always a bit nervous when settling in a new country. I got the same thing in the UK in some "nationalist" (read narrow minded) places. I am as European as they come but the instant snap feeling when you see the poster is "that is me they are talking about, they don't want me here."

It only lasts a micro-second for me as common sense always wins out and I just think about all the wonderful Swiss people here in Basel that have really gone out of thier way to make me feel right at home, curious about why I came here, about where I am from, keen to tell me about the amazing things about Basel and have conversations about Switzerland and the rest of the world.

It has not taken me long to really fall back in love with the place and that in no way is going to be dented by some stupid posters from a bunch of nationalist rednecks (insert Swiss equivalent).

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(Except that their members are more likely to be currently kissing cows than doing what you do. Probably)
Seriously? Is it just kissing or do they take it further? I mean, potentially that explains some of the idiocy? Perhaps a genetic survey of SVP hardcore members to detect any bovine cross breeding would be a good idea?

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Can I just ask, how many Western politicians have actually stated that mass immigration is a good thing?
Such sentiments as expressed in the posters are not unique to the SVP or Switzerland as a country.
You are quite right Paddy, but it is not the sentiment or the debate that I think is under question, it is the way it is put. I don't think that anybody here would state that a debate about unlimited immigration is worth having at very least. It is just the polarization that is put into these posters does not really help the moderates that wish to find the best way forward for all parties concerned.
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I would imagine there's some kind of advertising censorship - both centrally and by the SBB themselves, which it must have passed.
Yes, that test is called paying up. Anway, the posters are all managed by advertising companies these days. Complaining to the SBB about these posters is about as useless as complaining to Microsoft that BA website sucks.
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You are having a laugh aren't you??

So what about posters for BELL products? Might that not offend Muslims and Jews? What about alcohol? What about tobacco? What about cars?? Surely the latter goes against the SBB philosophy!!!

A multitude of products/adverts will offend somebody of the other - in fact a whole load to it deliberately. The SVP has an aggressive campaign - and pays a lot of money to have their adverts stategically placed for the biggest impact.
You are a very intelligent person and I greatly appreciate your input and opinions, but now, you are just taking the piss.

Come on, really! I am talking here about offensive posters against a group of person. Advertising products is totally different. No one with enough intelligence should be offended by them.

But advertising racist and discriminatory opinions and ideas are not acceptable on the name of Saint Freedom of Speech.

In that case, why not advertising posters of people eating babies, pictures of women being gang rapes, kids prostitutions or a man doing a sheep?

That should be also on the Saint Freedom of Speech, no? How long do you think it will take to get those adds down?

But innocent pictures of minarets looking like missils, covered women looking angry, black hands reaching a swiss passports are fines, aren't they?
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Old 17.08.2011, 11:41
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Re: Complain to the SBB about the posters

If a poster is legally acceptable then SBB is fine to display it. Or are you expecting them to play a role as censor?

If you don't like certain ads then campaign for them to be made illegal. Then they won't be displayed anywhere.
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But innocent pictures of minarets looking like missils, covered women looking angry, black hands reaching a swiss passports are fines, aren't they?
I'm sorry, Nil, but the image of a few feet walking over a map of Switzerland is hardly in the same category.
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