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Old 17.08.2011, 09:45
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I received information about a campaign to ask the SBB to remove posters at railway stations suggesting heavy immigration by the SVP.

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Old 17.08.2011, 09:53
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Re: Complain to the SBB about the posters

Should political parties not be allowed to post whatever they want to? I don't like the SVP but this poster is much less offensive (to me) than several others...

I think that complaining to try to censor legitimate and legal political debate is a dangerous precedent

Maybe thats just me though
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Old 17.08.2011, 09:55
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Re: Complain to the SBB about the posters

The first example expresses exactly my feelings towards the campaign posters. This is ridiculous - an absolute overt insult. Horrible, just horrible. Glad to see there is a reaction to this and people do not fall into the "nobody takes SVP campaigns serious anyway" category.
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Old 17.08.2011, 09:56
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Nah, I'm fine with the posters. If you get sold by some crummy poster of a sheep you belong with the SVP.
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Old 17.08.2011, 09:59
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Re: Complain to the SBB about the posters

I saw one the other day. Thought "meh" and went on my way. As stated above, they're hardly insulting or derogatory.
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Re: Complain to the SBB about the posters

I'm sure it's not offensive to SVP voters.

I would imagine there's some kind of advertising censorship - both centrally and by the SBB themselves, which it must have passed.

If everyone complained about posters they didn't like, what a mess that would create.

People just need to avert their eyes, if they don't like what they see.
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Old 17.08.2011, 10:04
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I saw one the other day. Thought "meh" and went on my way. As stated above, they're hardly insulting or derogatory.
Easy to say when you don't belong to a small minority of a different skin color or religion...

I find them pretty offensive, Indeed!
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Re: Complain to the SBB about the posters

As I see it, SBB needs money from advertisers to keep costs down for consumers. I don't have to like the ads.
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Re: Complain to the SBB about the posters

Thin line again (like the religion in schools topic): they have the right to post whatever they want. But it's certainly discriminatory and borders on xenophobia, especially knowing where it's coming from, and the constant campaigns they have run in the last few years.
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Old 17.08.2011, 10:38
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As I see it, SBB needs money from advertisers to keep costs down for consumers. I don't have to like the ads.
No, you don't have to like them. But if you have respect for your customers, ALL your customers, you select carefully your advertisers which will respect your philosophy and customers.
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Old 17.08.2011, 10:48
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Easy to say when you don't belong to a small minority of a different skin color or religion...

I find them pretty offensive, Indeed!
I agree - but I think they learned a lesson - this poster (the boots, I assume?) doesn't seem to me to have any racial or religious overtones....
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Old 17.08.2011, 10:48
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Re: Complain to the SBB about the posters

I would be happy if all advertising disappeared. I can't think of any decision I've made or item I've bought that was a result of an ad.

As the venerable D. Boon put it, psychological methods to sell should be destroyed.




But it's here, might as well get a laugh out of it whether it was intended to be funny or in the case of the SVP, not.
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Old 17.08.2011, 10:49
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Re: Complain to the SBB about the posters

The latest one isn't even that bad. I think we can all agree that lots of immigration for the sake of it isn't a good thing
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Old 17.08.2011, 10:50
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No, you don't have to like them. But if you have respect for your customers, ALL your customers, you select carefully your advertisers which will respect your philosophy and customers.
You are having a laugh aren't you??

So what about posters for BELL products? Might that not offend Muslims and Jews? What about alcohol? What about tobacco? What about cars?? Surely the latter goes against the SBB philosophy!!!

A multitude of products/adverts will offend somebody of the other - in fact a whole load to it deliberately. The SVP has an aggressive campaign - and pays a lot of money to have their adverts stategically placed for the biggest impact.
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Old 17.08.2011, 10:53
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The latest one isn't even that bad. I think we can all agree that lots of immigration for the sake of it isn't a good thing
No. I believe in unlimited migration. It's how you get epic Vietnamese food at 3am.
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Old 17.08.2011, 10:57
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Easy to say when you don't belong to a small minority of a different skin color or religion...

I find them pretty offensive, Indeed!
Nil, have you actually seen the latest poster? There's nothing racial or stereotypical about it. It's just opposing mass immigration.
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Old 17.08.2011, 10:58
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...deep south down in Watchland (La Chaux-de-Fonds aren't we proud of you):
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Old 17.08.2011, 11:04
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Nil, have you actually seen the latest poster? There's nothing racial or stereotypical about it. It's just opposing mass immigration.
No, it lives in Spain.
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...deep south down in Watchland (La Chaux-de-Fonds aren't we proud of you):
I know a number of folks who cross the border everyday from the French side to work in La Chaux de Fonds and Le Locle, many would like to live in those towns but can't get the permit. Most of the watch companies there and in the Vallee de Joux are staffed by a majority of French (and to a lesser degree a few other nationalities), and all that money paid in salary goes over the border each month. Wouldn't it make sense to keep it here? At the price of some permits? I don't get it.
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You are having a laugh aren't you??

So what about posters for BELL products? Might that not offend Muslims and Jews? What about alcohol? What about tobacco? What about cars?? Surely the latter goes against the SBB philosophy!!!

A multitude of products/adverts will offend somebody of the other - in fact a whole load to it deliberately. The SVP has an aggressive campaign - and pays a lot of money to have their adverts stategically placed for the biggest impact.
Can we agree that advertising pork sausages or beer in an area where Muslims happen to be as well is less offensive than the SVP campaign? One says "buy me", the other one "we don't want you living here" to a fairly large part of society...

I used to find those posters fairly offending and frankly speaking very bad advertisement for Switzerland - Millions of tourists have seen them and any Swiss politician makes an idiot out of himself when he talks about tolerance and openess to an international audience now. Most European countries have some radicals putting up similar posters, but here it is the largest party... I personally think that it does backfire but unfortunately only in a hidden way.

I don't think that protesting about them to the SBB is the right way. Telling the SVP "I am actually conservative and agree to many of your values, for example that Switzerland should not join the EU. But I won't vote for you as I find your campaigns and speeches to stupid and populistic. If you'd only be a little more reasonable..." might be a better approach.
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