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Why do the parents want their kid to die of skin cancer??? They do not like kids here??
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Don't they know what is a rash vest???
What, in the name of all that is holy, is a sodding rash vest?
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What, in the name of all that is holy, is a sodding rash vest?
rash guard, also known as rash vest or rashie, is a type of water wear, an athletic shirt made of spandex and nylon or polyester. The name rash guard reflects the fact that the shirt protects the wearer against rashes caused by abrasion. These shirts can be worn by themselves, or under a wetsuit. A rash guard by itself is used for light coverage in warm to extreme summer temperatures for several watersports including surfing, scuba diving, snorkelling, freediving, wakeboarding, body surfing, body boarding, windsurfing, kitesurfing, kayaking, or simply for stand up paddle surfing or swimming. There are also lower body rash guards, which are similar to compression shorts to be worn under the surfers' boardshorts, but more specialized for surfers
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Old 22.08.2011, 15:42
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What, in the name of all that is holy, is a sodding rash vest?
I think it might be those UV protection shirts. I'm not sure though.

Rash vest makes it sound like something contagious.

EDIT : maybe not then. The rash vest doesn't seem to be for sun protection more for stopping abrasions

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rash guard, also known as rash vest or rashie, is a type of water wear, an athletic shirt made of spandex and nylon or polyester. The name rash guard reflects the fact that the shirt protects the wearer against rashes caused by abrasion. These shirts can be worn by themselves, or under a wetsuit. A rash guard by itself is used for light coverage in warm to extreme summer temperatures for several watersports including surfing, scuba diving, snorkelling, freediving, wakeboarding, body surfing, body boarding, windsurfing, kitesurfing, kayaking, or simply for stand up paddle surfing or swimming. There are also lower body rash guards, which are similar to compression shorts to be worn under the surfers' boardshorts, but more specialized for surfers
So. A shirt then.
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What, in the name of all that is holy, is a sodding rash vest?
Named for being a very light garment worn by surfers to stop them getting a stomach and chest rash from the sand in the wax on thier surfboard while they lie on them for extended periods of time in the water. Nowdays popular in many watersports and they also offer excellent UV protection.

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So. A shirt then.
Yes, long sleeved with high neck normally made from material that does not deform or stretch in the water and dries out very quickly when out of it. Very technical garments actually.
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If you have traveled and lived in different parts of the world, lived in different cultures, you will discover that different people/cultures/ethnic have different senses of "personal space". People who have grown up in large families generally have a different sense of personal space, cause they never had any.

Considering the rate at which the world population is growing, you are going to have less and less personal space, so unless you want to kill a bunch of peeps and not procreate yourself, you are going to have to learn to live with less personal space.
True.

But Western European sense of personal space doesn't deviate too much from place to place or country to country.

So I'm not buying that excuse.
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rash guard, also known as rash vest or rashie, is a type of water wear, an athletic shirt made of spandex and nylon or polyester. The name rash guard reflects the fact that the shirt protects the wearer against rashes caused by abrasion. These shirts can be worn by themselves, or under a wetsuit. A rash guard by itself is used for light coverage in warm to extreme summer temperatures for several watersports including surfing, scuba diving, snorkelling, freediving, wakeboarding, body surfing, body boarding, windsurfing, kitesurfing, kayaking, or simply for stand up paddle surfing or swimming. There are also lower body rash guards, which are similar to compression shorts to be worn under the surfers' boardshorts, but more specialized for surfers
They're great but if the child stands in even the faintest of breezes after being in the pool or lake wearing one of them, their lips turn blue and they're shaking and shivering in a nanosecond, even when it's 30C.

Their body mass means they get cold quicker.

I think you were a bit off to accuse Europeans of allowing their kids to get skin cancer from sun exposure. Most people here (with a few exceptions, obviously) are pretty responsible in the sun. My own son has retained his great British pastiness despite frolicking for hours in the sun thanks to my dogged application of sun lotion.
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I then looked up from my book and the mother was changing on of the kid's sh*tty pull-ups literally right in front of my face. When I say literally, I mean literally. When there was loads of space behind them. WTF?

I was so disgusted I had to move.
My reaction would have been my suggested reaction in the smoking thread, I would have been like.....ooh, sorry that makes me feel really (uh), really (uh)
all over her.

Then I would have moved.
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True.

But Western European sense of personal space doesn't deviate too much from place to place or country to country.

So I'm not buying that excuse.
You will find some people lay their towels border to border to allow more people to fit in, while others will spread out over as much room as they can, you know, like parking spaces, plane seats, bus seats, cinema seats, toilet seats...

Sense of community, some have it, some don't, and some people's shit don't stink.
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They're great but if the child stands in even the faintest of breezes after being in the pool or lake wearing one of them, their lips turn blue and they're shaking and shivering in a nanosecond, even when it's 30C.

Their body mass means they get cold quicker.

I think you were a bit off to accuse Europeans of allowing their kids to get skin cancer from sun exposure. Most people here (with a few exceptions, obviously) are pretty responsible in the sun. My own son has retained his great British pastiness despite frolicking for hours in the sun thanks to my dogged application of sun lotion.
I agree. We used Daylong on our two children, brilliant stuff. Applied head to toe, first thing in the morning and only once had a small patch of sunburn on our 3 month long trips to Aus and NZ when my son already had his sandals on and I forgot the tops of his feet.

We had vests for swimming because of the jellyfish, but I dont think you'll find many of those in the Zürisee.

Can I ask why the OP didn't just tell the woman to go and change the nappy somewhere else?

I've travelled to plenty of places around the world and have also seen people that think its ok to change their babies/childrens nappies on tables in a restaurant, airport departure halls on the seats/floor close to others, in the seats abord a plane so I dont think its particularly a swiss thing. But making a "fuust im sack" (a fist in your pocket) IS a swiss thing, IMO, and should be discouraged.
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Old 22.08.2011, 16:35
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Re: Flabbergasted - completely socially unacceptable behaviour

People have UV suits here on kids, but they are usually not local, sad as it is, where we live. CH has one of the highest rates of skin cancer, people are getting a lot better informed now, but still the country is under the aftermath of sun exposure some time ago, when tanning salons and brown skin was in. If I remember well, what counts the most is sun exposure up to 20 years of age, if you are unprotected until then you have a lot more certain risk then if you start slabing sunscreen on later, when your skin looks like an old apple already....ew.

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True.

But Western European sense of personal space doesn't deviate too much from place to place or country to country.

So I'm not buying that excuse.
I agree in terms of personal space awareness, it works here, too, if people want, though. Seems like people trust somebody else's choice of spot better than their own, weird competition. If I chose that train seat in an empty train carriage, must be worth something so plop, here the guys sits, right next to me . At least people are learning to not sit right next to me in a resto, when there are still tables available. I think the rest will come..

Not to be a party pooper, Kamarate, I get your gripe. But having spent some days in the local pool recently with a hectic child and nobody to look after my stuff when in water, I know probably why people flock together. The chances are, she wanted later to take the baby in the water, too, and probably felt safer being close to a nice looking, reliable person, who could potentially guard their possessions. Too bad about the poopy butt, though, I would never voluntarily expose my kiddo's butt, if I didn't absolutely have to. Indecent, not only to nearby noses, but also to the child. Babies are entitled to privacy, too.
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Anything like that happen to anyone else? As I say, I wouldn't like to tar all the Swiss with the same brush. I don't think this is "typical Swiss behaviour".
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Anything like that happen to anyone else? As I say, I wouldn't like to tar all the Swiss with the same brush. I don't think this is "typical Swiss behaviour".
I'm afraid that the problem may be universal, in that I've witnessed similar things in various locations and situations. 2 recent examples: aboard a 10+ hour flight, parents proceeded to change diapers on adjacent seats instead of going to the lavatory, of which there was at least 1 extra-large size handicapped one (bigger than most swiss bathrooms ) Anyway, the dirty diaper was then conveniently disposed of in the seatback pocket. The whole procedure left the surrounding pax to enjoy the lovely scents wafting through the cabin for approx 10 minutes....

Second was in a rather nice restaurant where I became aware of diapers being changed at the adjacent table! Both of these were not in CH, in fact I'm quite sure it was non-european doing the act so to speak....

Guess it's a fact of life that some parents forget their little child may not be viewed as a prince/princess who can do no wrong by everybody else.
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Can I ask why the OP didn't just tell the woman to go and change the nappy somewhere else?
A variety of reasons, I suppose. One was the language - they were speaking what I thought was Swiss German. I feel a bit funny about speaking to people in English here (although being in a French-speaking area, I suppose I could have addressed them in French). Secondly, I was in such shock that I was left speechless (this happens to me relatively infrequently, the last time being when I'd told an ex-friend what I thought about her after she falsely accused another friend of rape because SHE ASKED ME and then her mother screamed at me when I was at work for "hurting her daughter's feelings"). Thirdly, I don't think I could have kept my cool. With this sort of person I think reasoning with them is pretty useless, so as a result I was bullied out of my spot.

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Not to be a party pooper, Kamarate, I get your gripe. But having spent some days in the local pool recently with a hectic child and nobody to look after my stuff when in water, I know probably why people flock together. The chances are, she wanted later to take the baby in the water, too, and probably felt safer being close to a nice looking, reliable person, who could potentially guard their possessions. Too bad about the poopy butt, though, I would never voluntarily expose my kiddo's butt, if I didn't absolutely have to. Indecent, not only to nearby noses, but also to the child. Babies are entitled to privacy, too.
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Re: Flabbergasted - completely socially unacceptable behaviour

I'm a mama and have been through my dose of nappies like all parents, but.... I'm with Kamarate regarding the unacceptable behaviour. A similar event happened to me last week.

We were having lunch in a waterworld-see-the-dolphins tourist attraction, the place was filled with happy giggling little ones and the mood was sweet.
But then, just beside us, a mother decided to change her toddler's nappies in the restaurant !! ..while everybody was eating.

It must have been at least 35°c, so the air was pungent. It was just
Even in a take-away, relaxed kiddie environment, it was too much for me, I left.
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No. I refuse to believe these stories!
Originally I thought it was all a bit of light banter surrounding ONE incident.

Mothers surely do not change their babies shitey nappies in restaurants, in a flight cabin full of travellers, in public places....?

Yaaaahggggggggg

Okay, so I maintain my earlier stance (I think it was here, but could have been another complaints thread, excuse my doddery-ness - it`s the extreme heat)........... which was ....... Don`t worry about the niceties of language communication ... just communicate with gestures and facial expressions, plus a few nice words of your choice cause they not gonna understand you anyway but will get the intonation.
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I was being shaved and scrubbed for surgery once (when I had my psematalites removed) when I heard a baby crying somewhere behind me. I was already strapped down, so I couldn't turn around to look, but suddenly the surgeon dropped his trepan into the sink with a crash, ran to the back of the theatre and reappeared with a small person in his arms, which he dumped on the end of the gurney. Before I had time to object, he'd whipped off the hideous creature's nappy and had proceeded to wipe its crap-caked buttocks with the corner of my gown.

"Sorry, old chap," said the surgeon, in Swiss, "but the wife's off at a conference, and I've been left holding the baby, so to speak."

When he'd finished, he popped the baby in the sink, picked up the trepan, gave it a quick swill under the tap, asked me to count to twenty, and that's all I remember.

I guess I wouldn't really understand, not having children myself, like.
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I'm a mama and have been through my dose of nappies like all parents, but.... I'm with Kamarate regarding the unacceptable behaviour. A similar event happened to me last week.

We were having lunch in a waterworld-see-the-dolphins tourist attraction, the place was filled with happy giggling little ones and the mood was sweet.
But then, just beside us, a mother decided to change her toddler's nappies in the restaurant !! ..while everybody was eating.

It must have been at least 35°c, so the air was pungent. It was just
Even in a take-away, relaxed kiddie environment, it was too much for me, I left.
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I was so engrossed in what I was doing I didn't notice until I smelled it (I'd just eaten my lunch too!). Kid's bum was right next to my face, mum's elbows were probably jabbing around my ears somewhere, but she didn't get me... think that would have added insult to injury!
As I am quite positive that I didn't make it clear (way too hot and you're not the only one with lady time sufferings - I sometimes think I should wear some sign that says that I could be a case study for just how bad hormonal moodswings truly can be), I feel the need to state that I agree that they should have given you more space AND that the proper thing to do with a youngin in need of a change is to take them someplace private.


It was just all the "literally" and "no exaggerating" type stuff that was beyond for me... as I stated, pretty impossible for them to have been 20cm away without you actually getting jabbed or messed.

Ah well.

Hopefully your next lake experience is more to your satisfaction.
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