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Old 22.08.2011, 18:09
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Re: Being pregnant

Thanks all. You have cheered me up. I will be more blunt in future!
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Old 22.08.2011, 19:53
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Re: Being pregnant

I am also obviously pregnant. It disappoints me that no one offers me a seat on the tram in the morning. Usually, within a few stops, people get off and I can claim a seat as my own.

BUT - we should NOT have to ASK! People should have enough courtesy to OFFER a seat to a pregnant woman, elderly person, etc, whether it's hot outside or not!!!!

I do the same for elderly people because it's THE RIGHT THING TO DO! To echo Dodgyken's sentiment, it's not my fault those people are old, but I'm still a big jerk if I see them without a seat and do nothing, aren't I?
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Old 22.08.2011, 19:57
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I am also obviously pregnant. It disappoints me that no one offers me a seat on the tram in the morning. Usually, within a few stops, people get off and I can claim a seat as my own.

BUT - we should NOT have to ASK! People should have enough courtesy to OFFER a seat to a pregnant woman, elderly person, etc, whether it's hot outside or not!!!!

I do the same for elderly people because it's THE RIGHT THING TO DO! To echo Dodgyken's sentiment, it's not my fault those people are old, but I'm still a big jerk if I see them without a seat and do nothing, aren't I?
With the best will in the world many people (I include myself in this) are in their own daydream, especially first thing in the morning. Often I have my nose buried in my book or Blackberry and rarely think to look up, except to see if I've reached my stop or not.

Sometimes I am looking up but it's usually a vacant stare with my thoughts drifting miles away from the situation on the tram or train.

I don't have much chance of noticing a pregnant lady or an elderly person unless they actually tap me on my shoulder and say the polite equivalent of "Oi! Shift yourself!"

It's six of one and half a dozen of the other - we don't see you and you don't ask.
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Old 22.08.2011, 20:09
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Re: Being pregnant

Perhaps it's a Zurich thing? In Lausanne people have always been very nice with me when I was pregnant, offering me their seats in full buses and so on. Even now with the stroller people offer to help me get in or off the buses.
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Old 22.08.2011, 20:22
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Re: Being pregnant

There is also the ever present danger (not at 36 weeks though) that you just find yourself offering your seat to a fat lass.....and that doesn't make ANYBODY feel any better!
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Old 22.08.2011, 23:37
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Re: Being pregnant

Out here in the boonies, people rarely gave up their seats to me while pregnant, but I have not once had to struggle with the pram/stroller. On one occasion a teenaged boy even offered to help me get it off the bus, without me having to do the pointed stare or anything. I was so impressed!
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Old 22.08.2011, 23:46
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Re: Being pregnant

I'm beginning to believe that my new explanation about Switzerland should be:
"Lovely country, too bad about the people". Of course, it always seems to end up there no matter where you are, doesn't it?
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Old 23.08.2011, 01:11
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Re: Being pregnant

I agree, someone should have gotten up for you, I'm often surprised (although I do not know why anymore) when I see someone frail looking, pregnant, or whatever other reason they may societally "deserve" a seat and no one gets up.

On the other hand though, I've seen some very frail (quite often women) or very pregnant looking folks get on the bus or tram and not even take available seats. I had a woman (probably around 80yo, using a cane) arguing with me last week when I got up and let her have mine, I had to reassure her that I was getting off in a few stops anyhow.

So, it may not be that they're not polite enough but rather they are more accustomed to independent spirits who strive to show just how capable they are despite appearances.
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Re: Being pregnant

More to the point, I feel your pain - this heat + bump is nearly unbearable (39 and a bit weeks). Mind you I can't decide if having the baby while it is this hot is going to make matters any better.

On a tram must be worse. Good luck with your next journey. Just sit on someone's knee if you are desperate. And good luck with the bit after that too!
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Old 23.08.2011, 10:46
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Generally I stand on the bus now, thus avoiding all social awkwardness!
In London I do this too (on the tube) even if it's totally empty. You don't have to sit on pee, sit next to someone eating a kebab at 830am on a Tuesday or have the "beer belly or pregnant" dilemma.
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Old 23.08.2011, 11:36
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More to the point, I feel your pain - this heat + bump is nearly unbearable (39 and a bit weeks). Mind you I can't decide if having the baby while it is this hot is going to make matters any better.

On a tram must be worse. Good luck with your next journey. Just sit on someone's knee if you are desperate. And good luck with the bit after that too!
Wait the after birth hormones wave...

Damn it is hot. You think it is hot, wait for it!
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Old 23.08.2011, 11:54
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So, it may not be that they're not polite enough but rather they are more accustomed to independent spirits who strive to show just how capable they are despite appearances.
I had the exact same experience on the bus when I first arrived. I saw an old lady coming up and the bus was full - so I automatically stood up and offered her my seat only to get a "Ich guet!!!!" in response.

Still, that shouldnt stop anyone from offering to those who look like they need it more - especially pregnant women. Bags on seats during rush hour annoy the feck out of me - I love this country, I really do - but only in Switzerland have I witnessed this - I mean, unless you bought a ticket for that fugly Freitag bag of yours, TAKE IT OFF!!!!!!!!
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Old 23.08.2011, 11:55
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Re: Being pregnant

I saw the same lack of respect and acknowledgement going on in North Germany and when I got pregnant there, I told my husband I wanted to move to his home country of France for better community support and healthcare.

What's wrong with certain cultures? Happening a lot more in the US too I'm afraid. Aren't there any laws in Switzerland about this? Don't you get a card from the authorities that gives you the right to move to the front of qeues & demand someone give up their seat like in France? Fortunately, I haven't had to use mine yet because people here have been the most kind and respectful I've ever experienced - even more so than California!
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Perhaps it's a Zurich thing? In Lausanne people have always been very nice with me when I was pregnant, offering me their seats in full buses and so on. Even now with the stroller people offer to help me get in or off the buses.
Lausanne - French speaking....although still Swiss, a bit different in culture.
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What's wrong with certain cultures? Happening a lot more in the US too I'm afraid. Aren't there any laws in Switzerland about this? Don't you get a card from the authorities that gives you the right to move to the front of qeues & demand someone give up their seat like in France? Fortunately, I haven't had to use mine yet because people here have been the most kind and respectful I've ever experienced - even more so than California!
No thanks! I spent most of my pregnancy telling people "I am neither sick nor made of glass - just pregnant."

If I felt wobbly or faint and needed to sit down I just asked - I didn't need to hide behind some stupid card.
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Old 23.08.2011, 12:20
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Aren't there any laws in Switzerland about this? Don't you get a card from the authorities that gives you the right to move to the front of qeues & demand someone give up their seat like in France?
Er, you are simply pregnant - not queen of the frigging universe.
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Re: Being pregnant

Wow, didn't mean to press any buttons there.

Good for you that you were such a tough gal during your pregnancy - and so kind to people who did offer their seats to you. Sometimes it's exactly comments like those from pregnant women or older people that make people hesitate about offering lest they get their heads bitten off.
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Wow, didn't mean to press any buttons there.

Good for you that you were such a tough gal during your pregnancy - and so kind to people who did offer their seats to you. Sometimes it's exactly comments like those from pregnant women or older people that make people hesitate about offering lest they get their heads bitten off.
Maybe we need a government-issue card excusing us being a total hormonal ratbag during pregnancy, then...
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Re: Being pregnant

thats very unfortunate for you im sure somebody would have given up their seat for you. hope your better and good luck
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