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Old 26.08.2011, 12:53
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Noshows at Social Events

This is for all the people who subscribe to events, not showing up and not informing the organizer at all.

IT'S RUDE AND DISRESPECTFUL TO THE ORGANIZER.

There is people organizing stuff for you, putting in energy and freetime and after all being treated like shit. It is demotivating and it is impertinent to the whole group waiting just for YOU.

Maybe we should put up a blacklist. I will start to put the names of the noshows in my events threads and remove them from future events. YOU ARE NOT WELCOME ANYMORE.

If you subscribe as a 'Maybe':
- please try at least on the day the event takes place to change your status to either "attending" or "no". It is not that complicated you know.
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It is not that complicated you know.
Sometimes may be you never know if you will be able to make it up or not.
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Old 26.08.2011, 13:46
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What about people turning up who haven't subscribed yes?

It all sounds very confusing, I hope you have more success with your next event.

Maybe you could have prizes for people who subscribe correctly or something... it's very worrying that this type of thing goes on in Swiss of all places.
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Old 26.08.2011, 13:47
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Sometimes may be you never know if you will be able to make it up or not.
When organisers have provided food or paid out up front to put events on it is right that people decide one way or the other.

Several events have been cancelled or left people out of pocket due to a small minority.

If you wanted to go to a theatre or concert you could not say 'Maybe' and decide at the last minute.

Please treat organised EF events in the same way.
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Old 26.08.2011, 13:53
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This is for all the people who subscribe to events, not showing up and not informing the organizer at all.

IT'S RUDE AND DISRESPECTFUL TO THE ORGANIZER.

There is people organizing stuff for you, putting in energy and freetime and after all being treated like shit. It is demotivating and it is impertinent to the whole group waiting just for YOU.

Maybe we should put up a blacklist. I will start to put the names of the noshows in my events threads and remove them from future events. YOU ARE NOT WELCOME ANYMORE.

If you subscribe as a 'Maybe':
- please try at least on the day the event takes place to change your status to either "attending" or "no". It is not that complicated you know.
Ah professor, sorry to hear that.

I am wholeheartedly behind you for the blacklist - especially when organisers take the time to make sure that the events go ahead.

Big open events like pool nights/Friday drinks are fine, no loss if you say you'd turn up and dont but when organisers like you and some others (i know basher takes the time to visit the restaurants for his A-Z of dining separately beforehand to make big group reservations), who make the extra effort, naming and shaming should be done!

As for the MAYBE option, I think its rather useless. Come on, its either a YES or NO. If you arent sure if you can make it, dont commit and put a YES or even a NO. Just make sure you RSVP either way before the deadline - makes it so much easier for the organisers to keep track than some wishy-washy MAYBE

Any chance appealing to Editor Bob for it to be removed?
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Old 26.08.2011, 13:54
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Im sorry prof that you had to experience it, I understand sometimes your job can force you to withdraw but there is always email or phone to cancel. I organized a clothes party earlier this year and there were 4 no shows, and people that cancelled an hour before it did p1ss me off as I had spent all day cooking...idiots
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Old 26.08.2011, 14:00
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I think there should be a forum function where you can remove the "maybe" option. I don't get it. Either you're coming, you're not coming or you're not sure yet (don't respond until you are sure).

To the Prof.: I've heard your events are fantastic and would like to come to one at some point. Please don't let the minority discourage you - I know for a fact that many people really appreciate your efforts.
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If there is food/money/preparation/cost involved then yes it is very rude to just not show up without advising the organiser.

If it's just meet for drinks in a bar or something probably not such a big deal.
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Old 26.08.2011, 14:02
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If there is food/money/preparation/cost involved then yes it is very rude to just not show up without advising the organiser.

If it's just meet for drinks in a bar or something probably not such a big deal.
Meh. It's the principle. If you say you're going to be somewhere then be somewhere. Otherwise you're unreliable.
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Re: Noshows at Social Events

You need to strike the balance with demonstrating on the forum enough interest that people are signed-up (a long list of proposed attendees will generate more interest from potential sign-ups than you with just you Billy no-mates on the list) with not making people feel that if they must sign up in advance or they are not welcome.

I don't think ranting helps as it will just discourage people signing up to your future events unless they are absolutely sure they can make it.

The situation is different if you have booked or even prepaid based on proposed numbers and are embarrassed or worse: out of pocket as a result.

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You need to strike the balance with demonstrating on the forum enough interest that people are signed-up (a long list of proposed attendees will generate more interest from potential sign-ups than you with just you Billy no-mates on the list) with not making people feel that if they must sign up in advance or they are not welcome.

I don't think ranting helps as it will just discourage people signing up to your future events unless they are absolutely sure they can make it.

The situation is different if you have booked or even prepaid based on proposed numbers and are embarrassed or worse: out of pocket as a result.

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Sorry - I just don't see the problem with committing to an event. If you sign up to an event and then get invited to a birthday party the proper response is: "I'm really sorry but I'm otherwise engaged, I hope you'll have a good time". Just because it's the internet it doesn't make it any less - if you say yes to an event then bloody be there! (unless you fall ill or something).
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Old 26.08.2011, 14:12
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What about people turning up who haven't subscribed yes?

It all sounds very confusing, I hope you have more success with your next event.

Maybe you could have prizes for people who subscribe correctly or something... it's very worrying that this type of thing goes on in Swiss of all places.
It really depends on the nature of the event. People not subscribing and turning up isn't a big deal at my Conversation Group as I would reserve enough space anyways.

If you cook for people then it is a problem.
If you reserve places in a restaurant you can get in trouble.
If there is limited space for an event this behaviour is just unfair to people who wanted to come along and weren't able to subscribe anymore.

A subscription fee is doable for events that are not free, on the other hand that means you have to invest even more time and effort. Don't like it. In a community like this I really want to trust people and I assume that I deal with adults. Most of the events free and therefor you can't charge money.
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Old 26.08.2011, 14:14
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You need to strike the balance with demonstrating on the forum enough interest that people are signed-up (a long list of proposed attendees will generate more interest from potential sign-ups than you with just you Billy no-mates on the list) with not making people feel that if they must sign up in advance or they are not welcome.

I don't think ranting helps as it will just discourage people signing up to your future events unless they are absolutely sure they can make it.

The situation is different if you have booked or even prepaid based on proposed numbers and are embarrassed or worse: out of pocket as a result.

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I disagree, we're all adults here. People who signed up for an event could at least show common courtesy and let the organizer know if they can't make it anymore.
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Old 26.08.2011, 14:14
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If there is food/money/preparation/cost involved then yes it is very rude to just not show up without advising the organiser.

If it's just meet for drinks in a bar or something probably not such a big deal.
I disagree. I've only been to one EF event, marked as "Yes". You'll note (if you were to check) that I've never said "No" or "Maybe", as fundamentally, the only important answer is "Yes".

The reason is usually that I have other plans. I prioritise my engagements by what I have to do, followed by what I'd like to do - and as a parent with children, there's a lot of "what I have to do" that comes first before my own socialising. What I don't do is say "yes" and not turn up. The message you send loud and clear is that your time is more important than the organisers'.

I've met several EF event organisers. They too are people with jobs and other activities. They aren't pofessional event organisers and they aren't there to bankroll no shows (where that applies).

Would you "no show" if a friend had invited you for a drink, without at least calling to excuse yourself and apologise as soon as you know you aren't going to make it?

To quote Prof T: IT'S RUDE AND DISRESPECTFUL.
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Old 26.08.2011, 14:30
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I agree, it's completely rude and shows no manners (reminds me of all those threads where people complain about the Swiss who have no manners at all or have silly washing room rules etc. etc.).

I think it's extremely inconsiderate to the organizers of events, especially if reservations, cooking or similar things are involved.

Sometimes you have just something unforeseen coming up, but in this case you can explain yourself.

Probably not that time taking or annoying, but still a bit out of way: you advertise something for FREE and either the interested person cannot organize the pick up or imposes his/her own rules. Hey come one: it's free, be a bit considerate to the person who gives it to you - and you showed interested and wanted it.
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This is for all the people who subscribe to events, not showing up and not informing the organizer at all.

IT'S RUDE AND DISRESPECTFUL TO THE ORGANIZER.

There is people organizing stuff for you, putting in energy and freetime and after all being treated like shit. It is demotivating and it is impertinent to the whole group waiting just for YOU.

Maybe we should put up a blacklist. I will start to put the names of the noshows in my events threads and remove them from future events. YOU ARE NOT WELCOME ANYMORE.

If you subscribe as a 'Maybe':
- please try at least on the day the event takes place to change your status to either "attending" or "no". It is not that complicated you know.
Name and shame! name and shame!!
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Old 26.08.2011, 14:33
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Re: Noshows at Social Events

Of course it's worse if you end up out of pocket, but I've organised drinks before and only one person has turned up. Not cool even if I'm not losing any money.
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I don't know what happened, but I am sorry something went wrong Prof! *quickly checks if she was the one in the wrong*

I didn't miss the Sunday lunch did I?
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Meh. It's the principle. If you say you're going to be somewhere then be somewhere. Otherwise you're unreliable.
I put Maybe on the last event I attended as my wife was due to have a baby around that date.

As it was, she had the day before and so we could attend. (and I changed the Maybe to a yes the night before).

(I did explain the reason in the notes after the Maybe).

So, I think there can be valid reasons for the maybe outside of the control of the member.

I do think though that it's the height of bad manners to put a Maybe in case something better comes along.
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