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Old 31.08.2011, 17:12
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Can't believe none of the nerds have picked up on your user name Manny!!

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Old 31.08.2011, 17:13
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I've actually done something like that. Not a sardine but a complete fish, or what was left of it after I'd grilled and eaten it. It failed. Contrary to common belief fish don't rot in a situation like that but simply dry out, and don't smell at all.
Try it with surstroemming next time!

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Old 31.08.2011, 17:16
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Anthropologically, Germans and Swiss are, by and large, the same race, just different nationalities.
And that is the essence of the problem.

The more people think and act like you, the better you understand them and the more scope you have to find something to hate them about.

Nobody squabbles as much as siblings. It is not despite their similarities but because they are so similar.

The Zürchers and the Aargauers are more antagonsing than say the St Galleners and the Genevans.

The Ticinese despise the Italians a lot more than the Schaffhausers do.

My Croatian coworker is always poking fun at the Serbs.

But in all these cases, there is a mix of genuine dislike and friendly rivalry and the two are not always immediately distinguishable.
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Old 31.08.2011, 17:16
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Anthropologically, Germans and Swiss are, by and large, the same race, just different nationalities.
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Old 31.08.2011, 17:18
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A Swiss would rather say "Ich hätte gerne ein Bier".
A Swiss would not order a beer in standard German now, would he?
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Old 31.08.2011, 17:19
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A Swiss would not order a beer in standard German now, would he?
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Take the example of ordering a beer. A German says "Ich krieg ein Bier". This is perfectly normal in Germany. But to a Swiss this is kind of rude. To him, this sounds like "Me. Beer. Now. Go!!!" A Swiss would rather say "Ich hätte gerne ein Bier". Sounding like "If you don't mind the trouble, I would love to enjoy a beer right now".
I have the feeling I have seen this written already somewhere. I don't know if it's the kind/region of origin of Germans I know or what, but I've never hear any of them ordering a beer like that. It's usually something like "Ein Bier, bitte" with a smile.

There are over 80 million of them, which makes the number of assholes (which you have a percentage in any nationality) potentially high. But most of the Germans I have met in Zürich are actually quite polite, hard working, friendly and helpful. I might be lucky, or other unlucky. But making a generalization that "all Germans are evil" would be the same as me believing "Austrians are assholes" because 14/15 of the ones I met were so.

I somehow believe that this idea that High German sounds rude to Swiss more of an excuse than a fact. But I have heard this theory before, so I do give it the benefit of the doubt!
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Old 31.08.2011, 17:20
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The rule is: if we've done anything good, it's "another triumph for Great Britain" and if we haven't, it's "England loses again". Have you noticed that?
LOL....that's the wrong way round!! It's usually "Murray is the only Brit to make it past the first round" or "The Scot was knocked out in straight sets in the first round".

And as for songs don't we have this?
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A Swiss would not order a beer in standard German now, would he?
Just for you, here we go: "Ich hett gern es Bier"
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Old 31.08.2011, 17:23
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The rule is: if we've done anything good, it's "another triumph for Great Britain" and if we haven't, it's "England loses again". Have you noticed that?
I've noticed that its an incorrect but widely used cliche (although correctly spotted as often being said the other way too).

For example, Andy Murray is a whiney, miserable, bad tempered, annoying, beanpolesque Scottish tw@t and always will be whether he wins Wimbledon or not, Craig Bellamy is a twisty, annoying little Welsh w***** (not wizard) and Bono is a self aggrandising, tax avoiding Irish hypocrite.

None of them will ever be British or English no matter what they do.....

PS I know that Ireland isn't part of GB, but I was into my stride
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Wie bitte?

Anglo-Saxons (insisting here) are a lot lot closer related genetically to the Germans, than Swiss Romands or Ticinese- honest Neuchatel was indeed owned by Prussia for a while, but of Gaulish stock, not Germanic. If you live in Zurich, please be aware that Zurich is NOT Switzerland. Thanks.

Quote from Wiki:

Franco-Provençal emerged from a Gallo-Roman variety of Latin. The linguistic region comprises east-central France, western portions of Switzerland, and the Aosta Valley of Italy with the adjacent alpine valleys of the Piedmont. This area covers territories once occupied by pre-Roman Celtic peoples, including the Allobroges, Sequani, Helvetii, Ceutrones, and Salassi. By the 5th century, the region was controlled by Burgundian tribes.

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I'm the Grim Reaper, Lardass, and you're my next customer!

Oh, with "Lardass" you won me over far more than with the faux-flirting on the other thread
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Old 31.08.2011, 17:26
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Just for you, here we go: "Ich hett gern es Bier"

I always say "s'Bier gern". Seems to work fine, no disgusted looks

but many swiss do tell me, the germans sound rude when demanding a beer, although as mentioned above, it is the common way for a german to request a beer.
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E geera ein stanger
E geera ein stanger up yours....and it's "es Grosses" as Stange is only
for Ladys or men wearing pink shirts.
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Old 31.08.2011, 18:07
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E geera ein stanger up yours....and it's "es Grosses" as Stange is only
for Ladys or men wearing pink shirts.
Yeah yeah - but I was going like for like - a bier in germany will get you one of those girlie 0.2l things - which is less than a proper glass of wine
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Old 31.08.2011, 19:50
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Actually it is racial discrimination - according to the UN definition:

the term "racial discrimination" shall mean any distinction, exclusion, restriction, or preference based on race, colour, descent, or national or ethnic origin that has the purpose or effect of nullifying or impairing the recognition, enjoyment or exercise, on an equal footing, of human rights and fundamental freedoms in the political, economic, social, cultural or any other field of public life.


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PS: it's not racism but eventually discrimination based on nationality or origins.

Although one would need to prove any negative effects of the "discrimination" to be real...



So legally it's more "stupid comments" which, I think, don't fit in any legal category.


Anyway for the moral issue, it's certainly unpleasing and silly but not worth being too upset about it, or too confrontational.
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Old 31.08.2011, 20:39
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Very true, and definitely not the majority. I think the issue here lies when those who don't consider themselves racist make a comment with no intended racist implications, that comes out as racially offensive. Again, like the office-kissing, there's never the intent to offend or make anyone uncomfortable, but because of the cultural mix, it still happens.
I think it is right and it is all about context. In Quebec, we love to call our french cousins: Maudit Francais! (Damn french!)

It is with a smile and tongue on cheek. And you obviously can see it. In this case of Helm, I have my doubt it was the case, which makes it completely different and yes, it is wrong.
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If someone wouldn't mind to explain to me the Manny thing. I don't get it about the name.

Beside Handy Manny, I don't see it...
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Old 31.08.2011, 20:41
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If someone wouldn't mind to explain to me the Manny thing. I don't get it about the name.

Beside Handy Manny, I don't see it...

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