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Old 02.09.2011, 11:27
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A German says "Ich krieg ein Bier"
It's not really a contribution to the topic, but I just can't let this be uncommented.

This might happen sometimes... however neither me or any of my german friends would ever 'dare' to order a beer in this way. Having worked in cafés/pubs as well as in a 5* hotel in Germany, I can't agree with you that this happens on a regular basis. ...but maybe it's just the region I'm from.

Reminds me rather of one of these jokes: A German, a French and an American meet...

I agree with you that there are a lot of unpolite germans out there, but I think Helm's story/experience was an example of a really nice foreigner who was dissed only because of his nationality.
However I see where you are coming from, since I'm also often annoyed by rude people. It's just this example...
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Old 02.09.2011, 11:39
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I always say "s'Bier gern".
I tried that once. I was disppointed when I came under attack from several Zulu warriors.
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I would call them out on it. They probably don't realise they're being racist and will be highly embarassed and apologetic when you tell them.
Are you serious? This is Switzerland not America. Nobody will be "highly embarassed" when you tell them. They would most certainly laugh at you.

And it's not racist at all. I see this in american TV-shows all the time. For example in How i met your mother they are joking about canada.
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I see this in american TV-shows all the time. For example in How i met your mother they are joking about canada.
Your sources of information are very credible, I must say.
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Re: Dealing with colleague racism

Face-palm. Thats just normal guys-talk. Plus joking about germans isnt quite as "racist" as joking about black people now is it? That would make the entire "complaints corner" racist towards Swiss people.

Plus i must say the landlord went a bit too far by threatening to call the police, thus implieing that you all are potential criminals.

But, I guess thats a Swiss thing (am I being racist now?) - the police is there to tow cars, stop people from talking loudly on the balcony after 10PM during a party - god forbid the complaining neighbour would knock on the door and tell you himself - and fining people riding bikes on the sidewalk.

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Your sources of information are very credible, I must say.
Sure they are
It was just the first example that came to my mind. And I just wanted to point out that jokes like those are normal. Even in America where people care 10 x more about political correctness than in europe.
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Sure they are
It was just the first example that came to my mind. And I just wanted to point out that jokes like those are normal. Even in America where people care 10 x more about political correctness than in europe.
Its a brilliant reference. If something is broadcasted by the highly controlled american TV networks -who dare not broadcast the word f-ck nor sh-t, it is the very defenition of social acceptance.
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Are you serious? This is Switzerland not America. Nobody will be "highly embarassed" when you tell them. They would most certainly laugh at you.

And it's not racist at all. I see this in american TV-shows all the time. For example in How i met your mother they are joking about canada.
Pfft, typical Swiss.
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Sure they are
It was just the first example that came to my mind. And I just wanted to point out that jokes like those are normal. Even in America where people care 10 x more about political correctness than in europe.
I don't get it. Where was the joke? Maybe I'm used to better ones, but I can't find it....
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This is Switzerland not America.
If I read this response, or similar, again on this forum, I swear I'm going to go postal.

Why does everything have to be compared to the United bloody States? Why does everyone who complains about anything have to be presumed to be American? Why can't you silly buggers get it into your stupid heads that lots of people find Switzerland different to their home countries, not just the Americans?

"Why don't the Swiss have air conditioning?" "This isn't America!"

"I want ice in my drink!" "This isn't America!"

"I'd rather like to collect my shopping in a car." "This isn't America!"

"It's a bit cloudy today." "This isn't America!"

Yes, we know. And most of us don't care that Switzerland isn't America because we don't come from there.

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If I read this response, or similar, again on this forum, I swear I'm going to go postal.

Why does everything have to be compared to the United bloody States? Why does everyone who complains about anything have to be presumed to be American? Why can't you silly buggers get it into your stupid heads that lots of people find Switzerland different to their home countries, not just the Americans?

"Why don't the Swiss have air conditioning?" "This isn't America!"

"I want ice in my drink!" "This isn't America!"

"I'd rather like to collect my shopping in a car." "This isn't America!"

"It's a bit cloudy today." "This isn't America!"

Yes, we know. And most of us don't care that Switzerland isn't America because we don't come from there.

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Probably because most complaints come from Americans

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If I read this response, or similar, again on this forum, I swear I'm going to go postal.

Why does everything have to be compared to the United bloody States? Why does everyone who complains about anything have to be presumed to be American? Why can't you silly buggers get it into your stupid heads that lots of people find Switzerland different to their home countries, not just the Americans?

"Why don't the Swiss have air conditioning?" "This isn't America!"

"I want ice in my drink!" "This isn't America!"

"I'd rather like to collect my shopping in a car." "This isn't America!"

"It's a bit cloudy today." "This isn't America!"

Yes, we know. And most of us don't care that Switzerland isn't America because we don't come from there.

Thank you for listening.

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Re: Dealing with colleague racism

A colleague (Swiss) of mine's grandmother came from a Romany background. When another colleague (Czech) learnt this, he told her he was going to hide all his valuables to be on the safe side.
Racism/bigotry/Xenophobia or friendly banter amongst colleagues?
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If I read this response, or similar, again on this forum, I swear I'm going to go postal.

Why does everything have to be compared to the United bloody States? Why does everyone who complains about anything have to be presumed to be American? Why can't you silly buggers get it into your stupid heads that lots of people find Switzerland different to their home countries, not just the Americans?

"Why don't the Swiss have air conditioning?" "This isn't America!"

"I want ice in my drink!" "This isn't America!"

"I'd rather like to collect my shopping in a car." "This isn't America!"

"It's a bit cloudy today." "This isn't America!"

Yes, we know. And most of us don't care that Switzerland isn't America because we don't come from there.

Thank you for listening.
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Was that in the Rorke's Drift pub ?

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Or, we are very happy that Switzerland isn't America because we did come from there!

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Are you serious? This is Switzerland not America. Nobody will be "highly embarassed" when you tell them. They would most certainly laugh at you.

And it's not racist at all. I see this in american TV-shows all the time. For example in How i met your mother they are joking about canada.
yeah but Canada is fair game. It's essentially impossible to offend a Canadian. Say your best Canadian-bashing joke to a true Canadian, and they will one-up it with a better one!
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Been having a crappy week because of work related stress. While I'm drowning in paper-work, some guy knocks on the door. He starts shooting his business and doesn't take 5 seconds to notice he is very German. Oh heaven sent German accent.

The story: he is the Hauswart from a neighbour building. On Monday a huge truck is coming for some moving in/out and he would like to ask us to not park the car on the way to his house entrance to avoid possible damages or having to call the police to take the car away. All said in the most polite and subservient tone.

Reaction inside the office as soon as he is out:

1. "I don't care if they damage my car. I need a new one anyway". When I tried to mention it is forbidden to park in there, answer was "of course it is allowed, the police never gave me a parking ticket". Presenting the rules did not convince them.

2. "Argh! How awful to have a German Hauswart!"

Mind you, not only do these people know I am married to a German as, when asked "what's the problem with a German Hauswart?" the answer was "because there are too many of them here!"

I don’t know, but I sometimes don’t know how to deal with these sudden, unfounded, ridiculous xenophobic scenes. The excuse “Ah, don’t worry, I have no problem with you! After all you are not German but Portuguese” just makes it sound even worse.


Do you have to deal with these kind of situations at work? How do you manage not to grab these people by the neck after repeated offences?

the treatment Germans receive here in Switzerland may be a twist of fate, carma getting back at them for their treatment of their foreign minorities back home
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Ok, I have to cut this one in pieces because it's... just wrong

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Face-palm. Thats just normal guys-talk.
It is not normal guys talk. If you actually read the whole post, it is mentioned it is a practice often repeated. And there is nothing "normal" about offensive burst against a specific nationality. Specially when it is actually meant as an offense.

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Plus joking about germans isnt quite as "racist" as joking about black people now is it?
First, it was not a joke. Secondly, constantly verbally attacking germans (or any other nationality) is not an attitude to be accepted anywhere. Thirdly, as so well put by dear nickatbasel, the UN definition of racism actually includes xenophobia. And as explained on this specific reply:

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@racism topic: though the case I mentioned here is more properly called xenophobia, I used racism as a more general term in order to include in my question "how do you deal with it" also problems with race, which might include oder EF's. It is in the same tone of discrimination and a defence from a victim of racism might also apply to one of xenophobia. I could also include chauvinism here, but that's a whole other story and that one I know how to control.

I find it odd I have to go into technicalities though...
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Plus i must say the landlord went a bit too far by threatening to call the police, thus implieing that you all are potential criminals.
Also explained on the OP, my colleagues are ACTUALLY parking illegaly. Which is a crime. The Hauswart was actually NICELY asking them to remove the cars because he doesn't want to call the police to remove the cars. EVEN THOUGH IT IS HIS RIGHT. He didn't threaten or make a passive aggressive note: he politely offered a possibility to have all parties happy. I actually find it quite curious that people imediately read on the "I wouldn't want to call the police" a passive-aggressive threat, other than an honest sentence. It somehow kinda paints the expectations of people into the dark tones of bullying and prejudice.


And lastly why are we comparing this to the USA again? There were no Americans involved and this attitude is not, should never be, hopefully in the far future will never be, accepted. Racism, in all its forms, including xenophobia, IS WRONG.

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the treatment Germans receive here in Switzerland may be a twist of fate, carma getting back at them for their treatment of their foreign minorities back home
Are you then agreeing or conceding that it is actually right to be a racist, even if it's just to teach someone a lesson, to a person which suffers from the horrible fate of... having been born in a specific country? Seriously?
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