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Old 02.09.2011, 15:49
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yeah but Canada is fair game. It's essentially impossible to offend a Canadian. Say your best Canadian-bashing joke to a true Canadian, and they will one-up it with a better one!
But can`t you just take an American-bashing joke and replace American with Canadian?
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Re: Dealing with colleague racism

How about "positive racism" (or discrimination, but in this topic we called everything "racism"):

As we have had a very good experience with Filipino nanny we would give preference to a Filipino person.

Is that acceptable?

PS: Only filipinos and Swiss people reply.
I had negative experience with a German, an American, an English.
Irish might reply, but they need to be moderated first.
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Old 02.09.2011, 15:52
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yeah but Canada is fair game. It's essentially impossible to offend a Canadian. Say your best Canadian-bashing joke to a true Canadian, and they will one-up it with a better one!
So a Canadian can outsmart an American? That's as good as it gets, is it?
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Old 02.09.2011, 15:53
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And most of us don't care that Switzerland isn't America because we don't come from there.
I don't believe you, your English is too good to not be American.
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So a Canadian can outsmart an American? That's as good as it gets, is it?
Anyone can outsmart an American
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Old 02.09.2011, 15:54
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How about "positive racism" (or discrimination, but in this topic we called everything "racism"):

As we have had a very good experience with Filipino nanny we would give preference to a Filipino person.

Is that acceptable?

PS: Only filipinos and Swiss people reply.
I had negative experience with a German, an American, an English.
Irish might reply, but they need to be moderated first.
Can I invike Godwin by asking whether it is okay to despise Austrians with toothbrush moustaches?

That's being both racist and moustachist?
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Old 02.09.2011, 16:01
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Can I invike Godwin by asking whether it is okay to despise Austrians with toothbrush moustaches?

That's being both racist and moustachist?
Please tell me your nationality.

I will reply accordingly.

If you are Italian, I will reply more positively than if you are English.
I won't even consider you if you are american.

PS: I had a bad experience with an American so I don't give you any preference at all.
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Old 02.09.2011, 16:04
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Do you have to deal with these kind of situations at work? How do you manage not to grab these people by the neck after repeated offences?
On topic: I haven`t experienced racism or xenophobia at work yet and would be surprised if I did because my working environment is very international. I can imagine that it made you angry especially when they`re bashing your husband. Why not answer "you know that my husband is german" the next time?
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Old 02.09.2011, 16:07
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Different story with most the German guys I've met. They come to Switzerland expecting everything to work the same as in Germany.
Since they don't need to learn the language, they often don't bother to learn about the culture either. They're not aware that certain things they say can be offensive to Swiss.

Take the example of ordering a beer. A German says "Ich krieg ein Bier". This is perfectly normal in Germany. But to a Swiss this is kind of rude. To him, this sounds like "Me. Beer. Now. Go!!!" A Swiss would rather say "Ich hätte gerne ein Bier". Sounding like "If you don't mind the trouble, I would love to enjoy a beer right now".

So I think in the case of the general resentment of Germans, it's not only the Swiss' fault.

Please don't get me wrong, I'm against any form of racism. Everything I write here is from my personal experience with Germans. I personally get along with most of them just fine, but I'm actively aware of their situation. I used to live very close to the border and have quite a few German friends. If I don't get along with one them it's not a matter of race.
I just think, there is work to be done on both sides.

erm...do you speak german? where and when do you have heard that phrase "ich krieg n bier"? and most of all: are these germans living in switzerland or were they tourists? plus germans want it like back in germany: all of whom i speak to, all of my (german) friends...nobody wants to change a thing here. 90% of my office is from germany, nobody orders with "ich krieg" and nobody either wants to change things like back in germany. all of us are happy to be here and to have left germany. all these people "you" are referring to are a) expats here against their will and for a short period of time b) noobs c) tourists.

the bashing of nationality in CH changes like the seasons: too many italians? "huere spaghetties". too many spanish? "huere sponnie" etc.

the point is that the swiss do project their little egos/penisses on us as we couldnt care less about switzerland. i remember 2009, when we celebrated 20 years of come down of the wall. big headline on 20 minutes: "we werent invited by angela merkel to the official party!!"
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Old 02.09.2011, 16:09
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Why not answer "you know that my husband is german" the next time?
I did quite often. It is actually the reason why they dropped the "schiss" on "schiss dütscher". But sometimes the old habit just pops back. enfim

I actually had a serious conversation with the guy today. He said he was sorry and will try to avoid the same type of comments. It will make work environment more bearable, but the hatred will still be there, behind the silence.
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Re: Dealing with colleague racism

My German Marketing Director suggested that we set up a "War Room" to staff the new project with an integrated team. I had to point out that we would need to set up a divider across it. I actually stopped short of asking whether "fighting them on the beaches" would feature as a suitable strategy...

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“Ah, don’t worry, I have no problem with you! After all you are not German but Portuguese” just makes it sound even worse.
The most awkward one was "you know... from all you foreigners do I like you Germans best - you are the least foreign" (coming from a guy at a dinner where my Chinese wife was present...). "Er... thanks."
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Do you have to deal with these kind of situations at work?
Hardly. The Eastern Germans in my company are far harder to bear for me... bloody work-shy communists.
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How do you manage not to grab these people by the neck after repeated offences?
What do you mean with "not"?
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Re: Dealing with colleague racism

"Ah Yes But you are the right kind of foreigner"

is an expression you will hear in many forms in Switzerland to allow conversations containing such gems as : "the trouble with the <insert race, creed or offensive term> is that they ...." to continue and sidestepping the small point that the person they are addressing is not native.

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The most awkward one was "you know... from all you foreigners do I like you Germans best - you are the least foreign" (coming from a guy at a dinner where my Chinese wife was present...). "Er... thanks."

Hardly. The Eastern
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"Ah Yes But you are the right kind of foreigner"

is an expression you will hear in many forms in Switzerland to allow conversations containing such gems as : "the trouble with the <insert race, creed or offensive term> is that they ...." to continue and sidestepping the small point that the person they are addressing is not native.

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but not only in Switzerland, it's a general problem..

I would modify it a bit:

"an expression you will hear in many forms in <insert country of your choice> to allow conversations containing such gems as(...)"
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Re: Dealing with colleague racism

It is always possible to say its a "general problem". I think the problem is more acute in xenophobic island Switzerland. We are in a country where such overt unsavoury comments are not only tolerated but considered acceptable. Not so anywhere else I have visited.

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but not only in Switzerland, it's a general problem..

I would modify it a bit:

"an expression you will hear in many forms in <insert country of your choice> to allow conversations containing such gems as(...)"
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...Have you ever noticed how people never ask if it's ok to make racist comments in front of you? People who smoke will say things like "Do you mind if I smoke? Oh you do? Oh, sorry, I'll just go outside with it then, no worries..." You never hear a racist say "Do you mind if I'm racist? Oh you do? Oh that's ok, I'll go and be racist outside... [walking towards door] bloody blue people... coming over here, stealing all our hamsters..."
(Courtesy of Eddie Izzard, my paraphrase)

Sentence to potentially shut them up (or make them hate you. One of the two): "Yes, I'd hate to have a German Hauswart... just like I'd hate to have non-racist colleagues."

Or is that too passive aggressive?

(not that I think smokers are on a par with racists. That would make me a smokist!)

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Sentence to potentially shut them up (or make them hate you. One of the two): "Yes, I'd hate to have a German Hauswart... just like I'd hate to have non-racist colleagues."

Or is that too passive aggressive?
Actually I find it quite nice! xD I'll keep that in mind
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"Ah Yes But you are the right kind of foreigner"

is an expression you will hear in many forms in Switzerland to allow conversations containing such gems as : "the trouble with the <insert race, creed or offensive term> is that they ...." to continue and sidestepping the small point that the person they are addressing is not native.

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There's an exception:
Your rule does not works with filipinos.

I had a positive experience with one of them, I am giving them preference for getting a job, now.

It's perfectly fine.
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Old 02.09.2011, 17:26
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There's an exception:
Your rule does not works with filipinos.

I had a positive experience with one of them
Too much information, dude.
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Secondly, constantly verbally attacking germans (or any other nationality) is not an attitude to be accepted anywhere.
Come on helm, on this forum, next to the French, English and Americans, the Swiss come under the most attack. Their 10pm quiet rule, their no-washing/gardening/drilling on Sundays etc comes under mockery but the irony is that the same people who mock the Swiss absolutely foam at the mouth and go postal when its another nationality.

Not saying its you but my point is very simple: regardless of the platform, be it work or the internet, every nationality will get slate because of some ignorant eejits out there and their myopic experiences. Sometimes in banter, sometimes not.

If it bothers me enough, I'll speak up but only to relieve the annoyance inside me because I know that no matter what I say, these eejits wont change their perception and generalisations.

I understand that you have to work with these people. Seems like you've already spoken up and it doesnt sound like anything's gonna change in the near future. Next time, just walk out of the room and make yourself a cuppa tea to avoid the conversation.
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