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Old 02.09.2011, 18:09
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yeah but Canada is fair game. It's essentially impossible to offend a Canadian. Say your best Canadian-bashing joke to a true Canadian, and they will one-up it with a better one!
And you know why? Because we know they are just jealous of all our ressources and great reputation.

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Old 02.09.2011, 18:45
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Come on helm, on this forum, next to the French, English and Americans, the Swiss come under the most attack. Their 10pm quiet rule, their no-washing/gardening/drilling on Sundays etc comes under mockery but the irony is that the same people who mock the Swiss absolutely foam at the mouth and go postal when its another nationality.

Not saying its you but my point is very simple: regardless of the platform, be it work or the internet, every nationality will get slate because of some ignorant eejits out there and their myopic experiences. Sometimes in banter, sometimes not.

If it bothers me enough, I'll speak up but only to relieve the annoyance inside me because I know that no matter what I say, these eejits wont change their perception and generalisations.

I understand that you have to work with these people. Seems like you've already spoken up and it doesnt sound like anything's gonna change in the near future. Next time, just walk out of the room and make yourself a cuppa tea to avoid the conversation.
To be fair are the cases Helm mentioned on a different quality than the jokes we make here on each others' nationality. I'd say in a completely different league: Here people mostly do it for the joke and sometimes yes, nothing is too low to get a laugh. I am all game for that. But from the description are they actually not trying to take the piss of Helm in the way I did on Eastern Germans above (ok, that's probably a bit of an insider one...)... they actually really mean it. I met similar people in Switzerland and I was happy that I did not have to share an office with them.

Yes, people here critizise "the Swiss", but well, based on first hand experiences. Generalizations are still wrong, but they are typically not as unfounded as most of the shit I had to listen to about my nationality. That's the one thing that annoyed me the most: it is apparently socially widely accepted to say pretty rude things about Germans while having hardly any experience that goes beyond the Aldi of Waldshut or Konstanz.
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where and when do you have heard that phrase "ich krieg n bier"?
Not necessarily that exact phrase, but I must admit ordering a Bier in Northern Germany does not need many words. There are places up there where it would be out the ordinary to order with a full sentence.

Don't shoot me, but I would be the kind of people saying "´n Bier" with a big smile and no bad intentions... Nobody complained ever so I must be a nice tipper by Swiss standards.

Joke aside, I must say that I've been horrified by what people were saying about Germans in Danmark, France, Norway, Switzerland. In Amsterdam, I found the Dutch at worse ambiguous.
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Old 02.09.2011, 19:46
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And nobody ever complained when someone in here (EF) taking the French apart ,Funny
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yeah, right: up THERE! northern part of germany(where the waitress turns into: was kriegstn?)! but not HERE, switzerland! im tired of the same old story as its not true for germans that live here longer than 6 month. im from berlin(er schnauze) and i turned into a "bittsteller" first day i came here. no "kriegen" or "bekommen" at all!
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I'll take that the Portuguese were not included in this song because among all the stinky/blotchy neighbours, we were the only ones that put up with the English and always backed up their silliness (even if it just to teach those Spanish/French a well derserved lesson!)

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And from my experience, this is exactly the source of many problems between Swiss and Germans.

When someone with no knowledge of the German language moves to Switzerland, they are aware that they're entering a culture different from theirs. With the learning of the language, they also get to know the culture a bit better. They are often very eager to understand the Swiss and try to get accustomed to their ways.

Different story with most the German guys I've met. They come to Switzerland expecting everything to work the same as in Germany.
Since they don't need to learn the language, they often don't bother to learn about the culture either. They're not aware that certain things they say can be offensive to Swiss.

Take the example of ordering a beer. A German says "Ich krieg ein Bier". This is perfectly normal in Germany. But to a Swiss this is kind of rude. To him, this sounds like "Me. Beer. Now. Go!!!" A Swiss would rather say "Ich hätte gerne ein Bier". Sounding like "If you don't mind the trouble, I would love to enjoy a beer right now".

So I think in the case of the general resentment of Germans, it's not only the Swiss' fault.

Please don't get me wrong, I'm against any form of racism. Everything I write here is from my personal experience with Germans. I personally get along with most of them just fine, but I'm actively aware of their situation. I used to live very close to the border and have quite a few German friends. If I don't get along with one them it's not a matter of race.
I just think, there is work to be done on both sides.
That doesn't explain why I've met more unpolite Swiss then Germans...and I've met a lot of Germans.
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Old 02.09.2011, 20:07
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I have the feeling I have seen this written already somewhere. I don't know if it's the kind/region of origin of Germans I know or what, but I've never hear any of them ordering a beer like that. It's usually something like "Ein Bier, bitte" with a smile.

There are over 80 million of them, which makes the number of assholes (which you have a percentage in any nationality) potentially high. But most of the Germans I have met in Zürich are actually quite polite, hard working, friendly and helpful. I might be lucky, or other unlucky. But making a generalization that "all Germans are evil" would be the same as me believing "Austrians are assholes" because 14/15 of the ones I met were so.

I somehow believe that this idea that High German sounds rude to Swiss more of an excuse than a fact. But I have heard this theory before, so I do give it the benefit of the doubt!
Of course they are ,they know you married to one
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yeah, right: up THERE! northern part of germany(where the waitress turns into: was kriegstn?)! but not HERE, switzerland!
No doubt about this, we agree totally. I do fight my natural love of short orders, don't worry. I am also French, I can make it a very long order with many politeness forms
My secret in Switzerland: speaking slower than my natural paste when ordering, it sounds friendlier while smiling.
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yeah but Canada is fair game. It's essentially impossible to offend a Canadian. Say your best Canadian-bashing joke to a true Canadian, and they will one-up it with a better one!
I have become a true CANADIAN
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Of course they are ,they know you married to one
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Care to clarify your posts?

If you are trying to insinuate I am being discriminating/ racistic towards Spanish or French in that post, do please pick up a book on European History, specially bewteen the XII and XIX century. Once you are finished, maybe you will understand what's behind that joking post.
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Care to clarify your posts?

If you are trying to insinuate I am being discriminating/ racistic towards Spanish or French in that post, do please pick up a book on European History, specially bewteen the XII and XIX century. Once you are finished, maybe you will understand what's behind that joking post.
Do you have a book about Germany/ Swiss history ??Key words
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Before moving here I lived in Munich for 12 years and worked in customer service, mainly in Bavaria and Austria. During my 20 year work experience here I have encountered this attitude that Germans are boorish (Dominant, bossy and arrogant). I really cannot understand why the natives have this attitude. All the Germans I have ever worked with or socialized with have all been very decent towards me. All of them, without exception!

I previously came to the conclusion that the Swiss must feel themselves inferior to the Germans.
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Having taught German in several British schools - you cannot believe how some kids in the UK, still today- behave outrageously to German visitors and our assistantes- 3rd generation on from WW2.
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Re: Dealing with colleague racism

How boring would this planet be if we all loved each others' cultures and were willing to accept values other than our own?

Would there be a Eurovision Song Contest? Would anyone give a rat's ass at the Olympics or other sporting events? Nothing binds a country together and covers ups ones own inadequacies better than laughing at someone else. As we're all perfect in our own eyes, we need to look no further than our closest neighbor to find an inifinite source of amusement and useful scapegoat characteristics to take ourselves out of the spotlight.

Ze Germanz and Swiss Germanz all stem from the same historical background, so you just have some sibling rivalry going on. It's no big deal.
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How do you manage not to grab these people by the neck after repeated offences?
Pour lighter fuel on them and set light to them?
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What do you mean it isn't racism; racism is discrimination based on race:-
rac·ism (rszm)
n. 1. The belief that race accounts for differences in human character or ability and that a particular race is superior to others.
2. Discrimination or prejudice based on race.
A nice scientific exploit, but highly irrelevant in regard to CH-DE relations
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Now that they are going to make Swiss-German the standard-language in Kindergarten, that is certainly going to improve.
I'm from South-Germany and we didn't exactly invent High-German and I'm mostly fine with any "let's keep the Swiss identity" campaign - but mandating a dialect in Kindergarten is way beyond what even right-wing traditionalist might suggest in Germany.
In some parts of the country, parents would be happy if the majority did speak some form of German...
A) No, they are NOT going to make Swiss-German the standard language in Kindergarten as it already is the standard language in Kindergarten, and has been so always. It was guarding the status-quo.
B) At the other hand, the new regulations of the Canton of Zurich make Standard German in school (2nd Primary-Class and up from there) as important and dominant as it was in the 60ies, or even more
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A colleague (Swiss) of mine's grandmother came from a Romany background. When another colleague (Czech) learnt this, he told her he was going to hide all his valuables to be on the safe side.
Racism/bigotry/Xenophobia or friendly banter amongst colleagues?
Yuck. Truth is, the longest running joke back in CZ is about everybody nicking everything that isn't attached by a large chain and a lock. Even then, they will at least nick parts. And that means everyone, not a particular ethnic group.

How do I deal with racist/discriminatory comments?
I roll my eyes with an appropriate facial grimase. It worked every single time. I don't hear any anymore. You can also drop a few comments about middle ages, etc etc. But honestly, people mostly do not know they are being arses. And if they do, they usually feel weird afterwards, anyways, so I am not gonna go after them. Karma.
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