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Old 12.09.2011, 17:25
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Wow, I haven't read all of the posts but everyone needs to calm down a little.

Yes, there are a lot of stray and rabid dogs in places like India, or South America; the children there are darker-skinned (or is that offensive ) and this is why the OP probably sees a lot more of them being scared of dogs than he sees children here being scared of dogs...it wasn't a ''racist'' post at all...

In Romania we had a ton of stray dogs too, and the children are mostly white. However, there are also a lot of gypsies which tend to be dark-skinned, not just in Romania but all over Eastern Europe.

The point is, there are more children scared of dogs because they are taught to be, rather than because of a phobia, which is quite a bit rarer (otherwise dogs really wouldn't be such common household pets). Usually children in areas with stray, vicious dogs are taught to be scared of them. Presently, these areas tend to be have darker-skinned people.
why is it even relevant what skin color a child has whether how he/she is taught to react to a dog...and what does the OP want to say with that?

He made an observation that dark-skinned children reacted differently than white-skinned...please, the whole statement/observation is really non-saying...
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Old 12.09.2011, 17:29
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Re: Teaching Children to Fear Dogs

Smoky this is real good advice which you should heed.

As a responsible dog owner who does all the right things at the right time if you ,or anyone else for that matter , sprayed my dog you would face certain consequences which would not be that pleasant for you. Meloncollie is clearly a good person and I like to think I am too but you might just pick the wrong owner. You would be on your backside tout suite matey.



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Smoky, the dog owner was completely in the wrong, and I'm sure all the responsible dog owners here - elevated equestrians included - would agree. No dog should be allowed contact with a passer-by, human or animal, without the person's or other animal owner's consent.

That owner should not have allowed his dog off lead if the dog's recall was not reliable and instant. It's people like this that give responsible polite owners - the majority of us - a bad name.

However, I would caution you against the pepper spray idea as (elevated equestrian concerns aside) you might find that it lands you in trouble. You could find yourself liable for the dog's vet bills, or worse.

Not only that, using peper spay or inflicting pain is dangerous for you. Essentially by inflicting pain you could turn an exhuberant playful dog into a defensive one. A natural reaction to pain might be retaliation. If the dog is close enough to bother you, you'd be within lunging distance. For your own saftey, please don't try pepper spray.

Instead, difuse the situation. Carry a small pop-open umbrella. When a dog is bothering you and the owner is being irresponsible, simply say 'Pfui!' in a loud but non-emotional voice and, keeping a safe distance, pop the umbrella open as a sort of barrier/shield. Dogs tend to find the noise and sudden appearance of the umbrella confusing, and will usually stop.

This acomplishes the same thing but no one gets hurt, and does not leave you open to liability.

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Smoky this is real good advice which you should heed.

As a responsible dog owner who does all the right things at the right time if you ,or anyone else for that matter , sprayed my dog you would face certain consequences which would not be that pleasant for you. Meloncollie is clearly a good person and I like to think I am too but you might just pick the wrong owner. You would be on your backside tout suite matey.
Yes yes, see my previous posting to yours........ it was my "knee-jerk" reaction.

As a doggy person in a previous life - and now a dogless person in CH - I sympathise with both sides of this debate.

And I could never - actually in real life - deliberately inflict pain on an animal.

But as you and other dog owners here may begin to understand is that not all people are able to appreciate the loveableness of your dogs - so in the interests of everyones comfort and well-being only let your dogs off their leads when they are able to respond to your voice commands, or you KNOW you are free to let them be free.
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why is it even relevant what skin color a child has whether how he/she is taught to react to a dog...and what does the OP want to say with that?

He made an observation that dark-skinned children reacted differently than white-skinned...please, the whole statement/observation is really non-saying...


Fine, skin color isn't relevant: but culture is.

As an example, this article provides some worldwide pet-ownership statistics.

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Broken regionally, North America accounted for about $17 billion Euro ($21.8 billion) in 2005 and will account for about 19 billion Euro ($24.3 billion) by 2009, followed by Western Europe (16 billion Euro in 2005, 18 billion Euro in 2009), Asia Pacific (5 billion Euro in 2005, 6 billion by 2009) and Latin America (3 billion Euro in 2005, 4 billion Euro in 2009).
So fine, ''Western European'' and ''North-American'' children are less likely to be scared of dogs than ''Latin American'' children, given the higher rate of pet ownership in these regions.

I don't know, to me that's basically saying the same thing
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Old 12.09.2011, 17:56
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So whenever I am out on a walk with my dogs, invariably some dark-skinned immigrant kid will either cower in fear and/or let out a shrill shriek, and/or start running away from us. This of course elicits my youngest dog's responses: prey drive or threat drive. The child has now either become a juicy morsel or has become a threat to me and/or my dog and must be destroyed.


Do you know some dark-skinned people have snakes as pet and if they will go for a walk you will either cower in fear and/or let out a shrill shriek, and/or start running away from him. This of course elicits my youngest snake responses: prey drive or threat drive. You have now either become a juicy morsel or has become a threat to him and/or his snake and must be destroyed.

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Old 12.09.2011, 18:03
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Do you know some dark-skinned people have snakes as pet and if they will go for a walk you will either cower in fear and/or let out a shrill shriek, and/or start running away from him. This of course elicits my youngest snake responses: prey drive or threat drive. You have now either become a juicy morsel or has become a threat to him and/or his snake and must be destroyed.

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Taking pet snake for walk...? .. how interesting! To elicit a "snake response", or to provide oneself as a juicy morsel for snake .... ?

Oh yes, I see clearly now ....... I think...... if you run away from someone walking their snake, the snake will chase you, and possibly devour you?

If the snake frightens a person, then the snake must be destroyed?

Nah, I fail to believe what you have written. I believe you`re attempting to sound slightly, or not slightly, ridiculous, actually.
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Old 12.09.2011, 18:06
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Re: Teaching Children to Fear Dogs

If you think the snake is acting dangerous then his dog is also acting dangerous as snake.

Then the dog must be destroyed.

btw I have just copied pasted his post.
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Old 12.09.2011, 18:15
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Do you know some dark-skinned people have snakes as pet and if they will go for a walk you will either cower in fear and/or let out a shrill shriek, and/or start running away from him.
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Did you know I kept a Pituophis catenifer as a pet when I was a child? I caught it in the desert where I grew up and kept it for 4 years. It grew to be over 180cm long. I raised mice to feed it and it was a happy snake. It never bit me. The mice did though, and often. Nasty buggers.

One day I felt guilty, though, because I knew it was a wild animal, and I thought it should be free to go and find a mate and lay its eggs in the sand. I asked my dad to take me somewhere to release it where it wouldn't be run over by a car, killed by a farmer, or recaptured by some other crazy kid.

That weekend, we took the snake out to the far desert, far from any city, far from any highway, and released the snake on public lands. I remember it being early in the morning. The sun was just coming up. I let the snake go on the ground and watched it slither merrily away under the brush. I was never happier to set something free.
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If you think the snake is acting dangerous then his dog is also acting dangerous as snake.

Then the dog must be destroyed.

btw I have just copied pasted his post.
Okay, so then all dogs will be destroyed should they cause fear in any person they encounter while being walked in public areas.

I think that is a very fair and unbiased decision.
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I am shocked how people can ignore the fact when the OP clearly mention his dog is aggressive towards kids; just because they are brown kids does not justifies and deserve any thanks, all the people should be ashamed for thanking him to open such a ridiculous debate.

All i want to say is the OP should have tolerance towards other races and instead of smiling and rolling up his eyes he should learn to leash his dog. There are thousands of articles could be found for how to deal with aggressive dogs.

and remember it could be your kid also.

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instead of smiling and rolling up his eyes he should learn to leach his dog.

You want him to dissolve his dog?

Bit of an extreme solution, isn't it?
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Bit of an extreme solution, isn't it?

instead of smiling and rolling up his eyes he should learn to leash his dog.



and to OP start with

http://www.kathysdao.com/articles/Le...n_in_Dogs.html
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instead of smiling and rolling up his eyes he should learn to leash his dog.



and to OP start with

http://www.kathysdao.com/articles/Le...n_in_Dogs.html

You're just full of logical fallacies tonight, aren't you?

Other dog owners have experienced the same thing I have here in Switzerland, and with the same prevalence of pattern. It has nothing to do with my dogs, my leashes, but everything to do with how these children are being taught to react.

Stick to facts, Mr. Adnan. Enough with the ad hominems, the red herrings, and the straw men.
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You're just full of logical fallacies tonight, aren't you?

Other dog owners have experienced the same thing I have here in Switzerland, and with the same prevalence of pattern. It has nothing to do with my dogs, my leashes, but everything to do with how these children are being taught to react.

Stick to facts, Mr. Adnan. Enough with the ad hominems, the red herrings, and the straw men.
Its Ali,

And the fact is your dogs are aggressive, let alone google and if you search swissforum you can find a few complaints where dog have attacked small kids.

Now stop rolling your eyes and open them; your pet can hurt someone.

just a example
Advice please re family dog attack

get some professional advice
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I am shocked how people can ignore the fact when the OP clearly mention his dog is aggressive towards kids; just because they are brown kids does not justifies and deserve any thanks, all the people should be ashamed for thanking him to open such a ridiculous debate.

All i want to say is the OP should have tolerance towards other races and instead of smiling and rolling up his eyes he should learn to leash his dog. There are thousands of articles could be found for how to deal with aggressive dogs.

and remember it could be your kid also.
Dear AliAhmedAdnan .....

You have not read what the OP acually wrote. Much as I dislike having to bash a subject to a pulp, I feel constrained (is that the correct word?... I am losing my english!)to reply to your posting.

His problem was with some children acting fearfull when approaching his dog. The dog was not agressive ... the kids gave the impression to the dog of being agressive. - or acting in typical prey manner - ..... leading him to query WHY it is that some children (and at this point he virtually apologised for having to mention skin colour) ... but it seemed to be only children of a darker hue who responded in an agitated manner on seeing his dog.

All this is in the apparent hope of understanding why certain people of various hues who hail from distant lands seem to respond in an incomprehendible manner to the approach of an animal, suitably restrained by collar and leash,in similar restrained manner to a Bengal Tiger on a stroll, intent on only enjoying its daily outing to smell the roses and evacuate its bowels.

To ellicit an hysterical response was obviously not the intention - he seemed to be seeking a simple explanation - in my opinion anyway that was how I read it.

Tis lawful to own a dog, dogs being mankinds oldest and most faithful friend.

The only problems that have surfaced is in how to take ones dogs for a walk without upsetting other non-dog walkers, or to seek an explanation for the apparent non-education of children in how to approach a dog.

Learning how to approach a dog is one of lifes lessons and every parent should at least take the time to teach their children this one basic fact of life.

Huh?

Now .... I would like a pet pig. Would that upset anyone if I had one and took it walkies....? At least it poos in one place and I would not be obliged to take a poo bag!
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Like we think Suzanne Sugarbaker was weird for keeping a pig as a pet. (but) I digress.
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Now .... I would like a pet pig. Would that upset anyone if I had one and took it walkies....?
Suzanne was a trailblazer! I say go for it.
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When I'm out with my dog, people behave most irresponsibly. Since he is so huge most people see him as an attraction. Once in Luzern, all the Chinese tourists took pictures of him I should have charged 5 francs for a picture LOL

But sometimes people come up with children on their arm to pet him which you should never do! Not that he's aggressive but it is a situation he is not comfortable in so now I just tell people to stay away from him.
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But sometimes people come up with children on their arm to pet him which you should never do! Not that he's aggressive but it is a situation he is not comfortable in so now I just tell people to stay away from him.
I think owners know best what their dogs can tolerate. Our dogs are completely trustworthy with children. A young toddler can run up to our dogs shrieking with excitement and the dogs have no reaction, but this is quite unusual. Most of the neighbourhood kids have been taught how to behave around dogs as in Kt. Aargau we have a program in schools. I know someone locally who takes her dogs to the various schools to teach children how to approach a dog. It is called the prevent a bite program.

I respect the fact that there are people who are afraid of dogs, like the guy who delivers flyers in our neighbourhood. Poor guy, I saw him 4 times in one day last week while walking. I understand he was bitten by a dog when he was younger and doesn't trust any dogs.

Most people who want to approach a dog ask first, in my experience. Sometimes I think it is the parents who are afraid of dogs and don't want their kids to go near them.
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