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observed a lady with her dog....the dog was not on a leash.....is there any rules about this?....the dog chased a guy on a bike..he was probably a little intimidated by this.....the owner chased her dog down then proceeded to slap the dog on or near the front of his head....two or three times..

like to have slapped her.....


observe another dog who also had no leash but was just minding his or her own business...the owner simply whistled and the dog came immediately....obviously well trained...

the moral of the story....some people should not have the priviledge to have a dog....
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3 out of 10 most recent complaint threads have something to do with dogs. Weird.
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But why oh why the groan St2leman?
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Old 03.09.2011, 11:16
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Perhaps he's just a stickler for good grammar.
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Re: hitting dogs

There are the following types of contributor on the EF.

(i) People who like dogs and also have a stable with a high horse whenever anybody mentions anything negative about dogs whatsoever

(ii) People who can't stand dogs, but don't hesitate to avail themselves of the aforementioned stable whenever people in category (i) type anything

(iii) People who don't give a toss one way or the other but have a ready cold beer and bag of popcorn whenever a thread involving people in categories (i) and (ii) gets going.

Hope this clears things up.

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Old 04.09.2011, 14:27
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Re: hitting dogs

You forgot the Nachos. Again.
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observed a lady with her dog....the dog was not on a leash.....is there any rules about this?
In canton Luzern, all dog owners are obliged to attach their animals to a long piece of bungee. This ensures that the creature will survive if it happens to jump over the edge of a cliff while chasing a rabbit, another dog or a cyclist.

Several thousand dogs are saved every year in the canton of Luzern by this simple expedient, introduced by a Dutch immigrant who had vainly tried to get his compatriots to take the same precautions.

Apparently, the dog owners of the Netherlands don't care if their pets fall over the edges of cliffs.
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Old 04.09.2011, 14:40
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Apparently, the dog owners of the Netherlands don't care if their pets fall over the edges of cliffs.
Cliffs, Netherlands? Oxymoron.

They should be more concerned about not equipping their dogs with lifejackets, what with being close to 99% below sea level.
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Old 04.09.2011, 15:32
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Damn, I knew I forgot to make something last night!

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Old 04.09.2011, 15:49
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Cliffs, Netherlands? Oxymoron.

They should be more concerned about not equipping their dogs with lifejackets, what with being close to 99% below sea level.
Yeah .... they should strap them over their arses - you have to be a soft-shoe-shuffler to negotiate the streets of Amsterdam, without doubling the weight of your footwear.
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Doggie revenge.....
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I have never seen dogs not on a leash in the NL, it is annoying how some owners do let them go potty anywhere though yuk
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I think I'll sit this one out...
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Must say I am very glad that most think that hitting a dog is no way to train it! Also very glad that animal welfare in CH is taken more seriously than in many surrounding countries. Seeing dogs chained day in, day out- in France and Italy- in appalling circumstances- I'm glad it is NOT acceptable here. One of the farmers here had a dog that was loose and attacked other dogs, kids and people in the area. After complaints he kept it on a chain all the time, in sun or rain. Neighbours complained, the owner was given an ultimatum by police and commune. Somebody offered to re-home the dog. As he refused to comply, the poor dog was shot. Terrible, but despite the disgust, all felt that it was actually best for the animal.
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Old 04.09.2011, 23:05
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Re: hitting dogs

PS. On no account mention that you want to sell or otherwise find a new home for your dog. Otherwise the clippety-clop of elevated equestrians will be sure to follow.

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There are the following types of contributor on the EF.

(i) People who like dogs and also have a stable with a high horse whenever anybody mentions anything negative about dogs whatsoever

(ii) People who can't stand dogs, but don't hesitate to avail themselves of the aforementioned stable whenever people in category (i) type anything

(iii) People who don't give a toss one way or the other but have a ready cold beer and bag of popcorn whenever a thread involving people in categories (i) and (ii) gets going.

Hope this clears things up.

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Old 04.09.2011, 23:15
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the dog was not on a leash.....is there any rules about this?....
At the risk of sounding like a broken record... yes there is indeed a rule about this: article 71 of the Tierschutzverordnung, the federal animal welfare law.

Hunde müssen täglich im Freien und entsprechend ihrem Bedürfnis ausgeführt werden. Soweit möglich sollen sie sich dabei auch unangeleint bewegen können.

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Dogs must be given outdoor exercise daily, according to their needs. Whenever possible they should be allowed off-lead.

http://www.admin.ch/ch/d/sr/455_1/a71.html


Now please excuse me, I need to go put my horse back in the stable.
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Re: hitting dogs

I would also think common sense prevails, I am happy to know dogs can go off lead, just of course when he/she is well trained...
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We adopted our dog as an adult and she came with lots of 'bagage' having been beaten and then abandoned as far as poss from any habitation in the Alps. I take here to the woods and mountain tracks behind our house, where we never ever meet anybody- as she is not good with other dogs. If I do take here for a walk near our house, she is on the lead until we are on a lane where I can see any other dog- and if we meet other dogs, I'll just take her to the field and wait quietly until they've gone past. She is too old to train- but we live in the right place for her.


Of course there are real emergencies and terrible circumstances that make it necessary to re-home an animal. But those should be VERY rare indeed. On UK ex-pat Forums in France there are loads of them every day- cats, horses, dogs- constantly. Latest one:
want to re-home our labrador. Reason for wanting rid: going back to UK and no space.
It seems many still believe that dogs are just for Christmas. Refuges are full to the brim with 'get now, get rid tomorrow pets'. If finding this desperately sad and unfair = getting on a high horse- I'll take up horse-riding.
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Old 05.09.2011, 00:43
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Re: hitting dogs

Seems my horse and I got waylaid as we wandered towards the stable...

About that hitting thing - also illegal. That's covered in Article 73 of the Tierschutzverordnung:

Beim Umgang mit Hunden sind Strafschüsse, das Verwenden von Stachelhalsbändern und übermässige Härte, wie das Schlagen mit harten Gegenständen, verboten. Verhaltenskorrekturmassnahmen müssen der Situation angepasst erfolgen.

Roughly translated:

One may not punish a dog by shooting, by the use of a prong collar, or by undue force, such as hitting with a hard object. Behavioral correction must be appropriate to the situation.

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Oh, and while we are on the subject: shock collars, spray collars, acoustic collars, and all such pain-inducing punishment devises are also illegal - that
is covered by Article 76 of the TSchV:

Hilfsmittel dürfen nicht derart verwendet werden, dass dem Tier Verletzungen oder erhebliche Schmerzen zugefügt werden oder dass es stark gereizt oder in Angst versetzt wird.

Die Verwendung von Geräten, die elektrisieren, für den Hund sehr unangenehme akustische Signale aussenden oder mittels chemischer Stoffe wirken, ist verboten.


Agan, roughly:

Training devises may not be used to cause injury or inflict significant pain, or to irritate or put an animal in a state of fear.

The use of electric devises, those that cause an unpleasant acoustic signal, or act with chemicals, is forbidden.


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It seems many still believe that dogs are just for Christmas. Refuges are full to the brim with 'get now, get rid tomorrow pets'. If finding this desperately sad and unfair = getting on a high horse- I'll take up horse-riding.
Worst-ever excuse I've heard for dumping a puppy:

"But I thought I'd bought a guinea pig, I only just realized it's a dog."

(OK - in German 'sheltie' is a term for a kind of guinea pig, as well as a breed of dog. But FFS... and people wonder why we need SKN courses? )

Good thing that at the time I was busy holding the reins of my high horse , otherwise I'd have had to resort to the ultimate facepalm...
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One may not punish a dog by shooting, by the use of a prong collar, or by undue force, such as hitting with a hard object. Behavioral correction must be appropriate to the situation.
A hand is NOT a "hard object", thus it's use CANNOT be construed as "undue force".

Think! (if you can)

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