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Re: Threatening to call the police - de rigeur?

Running to teacher is childish behaviour showing an inability to deal with and negotiate with other people with a different view. There are occasions when calling the police is advisable - nah necessary - but do you have a grievance or not ? Or are you simply complaining because you are the kind of person that enjoys inconveniencing people you don't like, and therefore take delight in progressing the grievances of others even if the person affected may have had a more chilled response ? It sounds cowardly to me.

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If you (being Swiss) leave a note asking the neighbor to move his car, but don't appeal to any authority, at the very least by informing him that he is illegally parked - then by not giving any objective reason you are implicitly telling him that he should move it "because I said so." You don't have the authority to demand that, and so he will naturally bristle. You (being Swiss) know perfectly well that he will bristle, and so phrasing it this way is unduly confrontational of you.

It's seen as less confrontational, and therefore more diplomatic, to cite an authority higher than both of you whenever possible, e.g. the Hauswart or the police. This is also why you leave a note instead of ringing his doorbell to talk about it.

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Re: Threatening to call the police - de rigeur?

Talking about notes- if I ever have to park in a bit of space that might at all inconvenience somebody, I always leave a note on my dash saying where I am and explaining I'd come and remove it toot t'suite- common courtesy and avoid trouble.
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So Ambie 26, why the groan? If you are just going to click on groan then run away you are behaving like a young teenager. Let us see some constructive criticism please, by adding to the discussion.
Actually, I considered groaning that post as well.

There are NOT " a million rules and regulations about how to live here". Now, you particular canton or village may have a lot, but they are not "Swiss" rules. And there are no more here than anywhere I've lived, in fact there are often less!

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Running to teacher is childish behaviour showing an inability to deal with and negotiate with other people with a different view. There are occasions when calling the police is advisable - nah necessary - but do you have a grievance or not ? Or are you simply complaining because you are the kind of person that enjoys inconveniencing people you don't like, and therefore take delight in progressing the grievances of others even if the person affected may have had a more chilled response ? It sounds cowardly to me.

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What's with this "you" business? Both MN and I are trying to explain why someone else may do this behavior - I do not believe either of us said what WE would do.
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Re: Threatening to call the police - de rigeur?

You meant "de rigueur", right?
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Re: Threatening to call the police - de rigeur?

This is intended to be hypotetical and not personal. Apologies if it seems that way.

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What's with this "you" business? Both MN and I are trying to explain why someone else may do this behavior - I do not believe either of us said what WE would do.
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Hang on, wasn't that the American way?
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How about you just stick to the rules and avoid all this drama? Seems much simpler to me. Just because other people seem to think they are above them, doesn't mean you have to be a law-breaking lemming. There is not much space here and a lot of people in it, the rules help keep everyone sane. Or some semblance of it...

As for not sorting out issues, well, sadly, people have this new thing where they call lawyers when you do something they don't like. I'm going before the magistrate on Wednesday because calling someone an Italian (which he is), is apparently a personal insult. So again, it's not just a Swiss thing, other cultures also think higher authority AND asking for money because their feelings are being hurt is how you do it. Hang on, wasn't that the American way?
I thought that was for calling him an Italian who provides bad haircuts? That's really a double insult, even if both are true.
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Re: Threatening to call the police - de rigeur?

Pots 'n' kettles. People that live in glass houses with ugly staircases shouldnt throw stones. Don't dump on your own doorstep.

Given your recent dramas and matters arising, I would think this is a good time to remain quiet, wouldn't you ?

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How about you just stick to the rules and avoid all this drama? Seems much simpler to me. Just because other people seem to think they are above them, doesn't mean you have to be a law-breaking lemming. There is not much space here and a lot of people in it, the rules help keep everyone sane. Or some semblance of it...
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So, not liking this, my mother went to have a nice word with the adults of the household and their response basically was "too bad, so sad, if you don't like it, call the police."

The method here cuts out that bit of nastiness in the middle - "I don't like your behavior and more so, it isn't allowed, so if it doesn't stop, I will call the police." Message sent and received without arguments.
and people seem to think it strange that i want to live on a house on a hill with no neighbours in sight...
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Pots 'n' kettles. People that live in glass houses with ugly staircases shouldnt throw stones. Don't dump on your own doorstep.

Given your recent dramas and matters arising, I would think this is a good time to remain quiet, wouldn't you ?

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Personal attack has nothing to bring into this thread! Leave it outside! And for what I know about this forum, everyone can gives opinions and point of view.
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Re: Threatening to call the police - de rigeur?

Says the one calling other poster an idiot ;-)

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Says the one calling other poster an idiot ;-)
I am not going through his posts to try to find something and tell him he should shut up considering his pasts events, bla bla bla.

You are such a great and positive contributor in here, you should know that!

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Maybe you should. In similar circumstances I would thank such a person. But let's see what happens eh ?

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Re: Threatening to call the police - de rigeur?

Several years ago I didn't even get a "threat" before the police arrived. Our Swiss German neighbors called the police when I was out in the back garden trimming the grass along the steps to our exterior terrace with a pair of hand shears. The day was August 1st (holiday) and the kind police officer who rang our bell, in response to their call complaining, came to see what the commotion was and simply shook his head, apologized and said he needed to ask me to stop the trimming because they said it was "bothering them" and it was "illegal" to work on the holiday. They could see me "doing it" from their balcony.

Only here.......
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How about you just stick to the rules and avoid all this drama? Seems much simpler to me. Just because other people seem to think they are above them, doesn't mean you have to be a law-breaking lemming. There is not much space here and a lot of people in it, the rules help keep everyone sane. Or some semblance of it...

As for not sorting out issues, well, sadly, people have this new thing where they call lawyers when you do something they don't like. I'm going before the magistrate on Wednesday because calling someone an Italian (which he is), is apparently a personal insult. So again, it's not just a Swiss thing, other cultures also think higher authority AND asking for money because their feelings are being hurt is how you do it. Hang on, wasn't that the American way?
Buddy, it's impossible to stick to every rule, all the time. Do you check the full set of laws where you live before going about your business? If someone sees me break a rather minor rule (which he didn't even document for me), they could just be polite about it and I'll change my behaviour. I'd do the same. Leaving a 50cm gap instead of 80 is a rather small infraction, in my opinion.

And what's this about Americans? I don't follow.

PS. Some people are airing your dirty laundry on this thread. No need for it.
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I'm going before the magistrate on Wednesday because calling someone an Italian (which he is), is apparently a personal insult. So again, it's not just a Swiss thing, other cultures also think higher authority AND asking for money because their feelings are being hurt is how you do it. Hang on, wasn't that the American way?
where exactly is this taking place and is it open to the public?
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Buddy, it's impossible to stick to every rule, all the time. Do you check the full set of laws where you live before going about your business? If someone sees me break a rather minor rule (which he didn't even document for me), they could just be polite about it and I'll change my behaviour. I'd do the same. Leaving a 50cm gap instead of 80 is a rather small infraction, in my opinion.

And what's this about Americans? I don't follow.

PS. Some people are airing your dirty laundry on this thread. No need for it.
Some rules make more sense than others and some are really hard to stick to but I guess it's easier to stick to the ones that seem to be clear. To be honest, if you know who is threatening to call the police, then try and address them directly and see if you can work something out. You always have a few people who think the rules don't apply to them and those people upset everyone with something silly. So maybe yet another person doing something (slightly) illegal is enough to push them over the edge and say "enough's enough"?

The American comment is more tongue in cheek than to be taken seriously, essentially, it's the "don't get mad, just sue!" approach that appears to drive people to start lawsuits against McDonalds or the state lottery - because they gained weight / didn't win.

Some people seem to like picking on others anonymously, which I guess is ok if it makes you feel better/above someone, clearly nothing else worked otherwise you'd be doing that instead...

Phil - no, it's not public and I would like to point out that I did confront the person in question directly and asked for something reasonable - an apology and my money back. Everything else, well... It's a waste of everyone's time, really. But that's a different story.
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Phil - no, it's not public and I would like to point out that I did confront the person in question directly and asked for something reasonable - an apology and my money back. Everything else, well... It's a waste of everyone's time, really. But that's a different story.
yes, i know. good luck with it. if you win, make sure there's a newspaper article about how crap he is
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Switzerland works like clock work because there are a million rules and regulations about how to live here, and if you don't keep to them it really annoys people. You need to inform yourself about the rules and laws here, or you are going to have more unpleasant experiences.

If your neighbours have the feeling you aren't interested in keeping to the rules, (Imagine you showing them the middle finger?) they will call the police and ask them to enforce the rule you have broken. If you have any questions buy a book about living here, read it and ask your neighbours or Gemeinde for advice. The Police don't have much else to do, so be careful.
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So Ambie 26, why the groan? If you are just going to click on groan then run away you are behaving like a young teenager. Let us see some constructive criticism please, by adding to the discussion.
Because you make it seem like living in this country is worse than being in a communist regime when it isnt! With all due respect, I know you are a native and appreciate the links you provide to certain laws, but most of your posts are about "following the rules" which gives newbies/foreigners the impression that Switzerland is an anal retentive country when it isnt.

There is a difference between:

1. anally following the rules to the point where you compromise your own quality of life
2. following the rules and practicing a bit of common decency in consideration towards your neighbours and people you meet.

I can totally understand how some rules make sense and in fact, I endorse them: like shop closing hours, no noise after 10pm etc but seriously Ittigen, sometimes I read your posts and I roll my eyes because they are simply over the top, scaring people. "you cant do this, you cant do that, you are wrong, be careful.." blah blah blah.

The OP's example of his wife parking in front of the garage when others are doing so, to me isnt breaking any rules unless the gemeinde has a written set of rules. Even so, the woman's rather rude persona telling his wife off, would have also peed me off too if I am his wife. If I was causing any inconvenience, by all means tell me politely and if it isnt unreasonable, I am pretty sure that most people will apologise and amend their behaviour accordingly.

Yes, I understand that some people will say "too bad, so sad, call the police" - but not everyone is a rule flouter or that aggressive and unpleasant. A bit of politeness and flexibility goes a long way with everyone.
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