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Old 09.09.2011, 16:11
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wow I thought such things are not happening in Switzerland!!!
That's because they let "southeastern European dudes" in the country.

But as soon as SVP claims that criminal foreigners should be sent back home, all Swissies are called "racists".
Choose either - or
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Old 09.09.2011, 16:21
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Re: Pickpockets in Geneva

Precisely, it's no different than any of the other big cities in Europe really...It's unfortunately transients who are most likely culpable in these petty thefts, as well...And it merely builds momentum for locals to tighten the borders even more - can't blame them really, it's starting to get out of hand...Out of hand in that it's beginning to resemble life outside of Suisse
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Re: Pickpockets in Geneva

It's like this: I've lived all over the USA, including a lot of years in New York City as well as Los Angeles. I've lived in Europe for 10 years, and travelled extensively.

There is only ONE place I've ever encountered this sort of problem, and that was Madrid. Not in Amsterdam, not even in London. Certainly not in Duesseldorf or Koeln, and not even in Paris. Nor in Brussels or Antwerp, and not in Vienna or even Budapest, or Prague.

Oh, wait. Yea, I did get robbed a couple times in my home city in Michigan. And one time my place was broken in to.

So, yea, I can understand how folks would be shocked it happens in Switzerland, but that's more because so very little happens here. But the picking of pockets has been so rare in my experience, until I was in Madrid, I'd decided it was more myth than a reality.
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Re: Pickpockets in Geneva

I've had exactly the same experience, SwizChiz. I'm from a small town in the USA where pick pocketing was definitely a myth, but I never experienced it in Chicago, NYC, Toronto, Amsterdam etc. Also lived in London for three years and experienced no crime, and no one I knew was ever pick pocketed in London. During four days in Madrid, however, someone tried to take my wallet out of my pocket on two occasions! Others in my group were also targeted and a few lost theirs. It's crazy how rampant it is in Madrid.
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Old 09.09.2011, 18:04
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Re: Pickpockets in Geneva

Oh, the benefits of globalization! no matter where in Europe you are, you will find the same McDonalds, the same Zara, the same H&M, the same Apple Store, the same IKEA... and you will face the same south-eastern europeans trying to steal your money, isn't this nice? Vive l'Europe!
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Oh, the benefits of globalization! no matter where in Europe you are, you will find the same McDonalds, the same Zara, the same H&M, the same Apple Store, the same IKEA... and you will face the same south-eastern europeans trying to steal your money, isn't this nice? Vive l'Europe!
Steady on, old boy... we Brits invented pickpocketing! Anything else is a cheap imitation!
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the same McDonalds, the same Zara, the same H&M, the same Apple Store, the same IKEA...
Ya, but not the same sellspeople.
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They most probably come from places where these things just happen, yet when they are here they carelessly walk around as if they lived in Heidiland, not in a real place, in the real world. Thus the "outrage"...
Quite a sweeping assumption... Greenmount- you should try living in the Channel Islands. There aint no such thing as pickpockets.
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Old 12.10.2011, 12:02
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It's crazy how rampant it is in Madrid.
ever been to barcelona?
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Old 12.10.2011, 19:12
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What kind of bubble do some people live in?
It's called Switzerland
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If ever you see three men: elderly man (grayish blonde) and southeastern European dudes who suddenly surrounded you in an escalator... be on guard
doesn't sound like southeastern european to me. people from there tend t have dark hair and brown,green eyes.

typical stereotyping. grayish blonde sound slike a northern european/central european, but hey it couldn't have been them. they are one of "us" and we are all "good guys"

those bad, bad southeastern europeans...
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my fiance got a knife to his stomach walking through Geneva in March. 1 guy came up with the knife and another took his wallet..they took all the cash and threw the wallet down afterwards.

heard 1 out of every 3 crimes happens in Geneva! go figure
Sorry to hear that! Geneva has indeed become less safe these past few years. Many blame it on the open borders policy. Apparently, Lyon-based gang members find Geneva to be a great picking ground: come in without being checked at the border, harvest, and get out quickly, again without being checked at the border. Little risk, high reward. Whereas this is doubtless one factor, the sad truth is that the pickpocket or aggressor is just as likely to be Swiss .
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Old 08.05.2012, 18:05
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Re: Pickpockets in Geneva

I agree! Lots of people in suits shouting in their mobile phones, pushing past you without apologising and giving you dirty looks because you're not wearing the latest sunglasses... dodgy indeed!

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You really need urban survival training before entering Cornavin station. I keep my wallet in my front pocket, my hand in my pocket and always stand sideways on escalators there. That place is just full of dodgy characters.
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Old 08.05.2012, 18:11
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Don't know why, I have no "thank you" option, but glad to hear (or read, rather) someone with common sense. Being careful and warning when there is a specific threat at a point in time (like Geneva train station at the moment), yes, scaremongering with stories that happened at some stage in Spain or elsewhere in the world is irrelevant.

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What amazes me most is how many people on this thread are seemingly astounded that there is any kind of petty crime in Switzerland.

Geneva and Zurich at least are major European cities, home to an international and multi-cultural population as well as a steady influx of visitors from all over the place. Why would Switzerland be some island of a crime-free utopia?

What kind of bubble do some people live in?
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Old 08.05.2012, 18:23
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Re: Pickpockets in Geneva

I have found this link, some parts are interesting and confirm some of the EF messages. I am struggling to find official crime statistics, though. It is always interesting to compare official crime figures with people's perception of crime in their area.

https://www.osac.gov/Pages/ContentRe....aspx?cid=9137


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Sorry to hear that! Geneva has indeed become less safe these past few years. Many blame it on the open borders policy. Apparently, Lyon-based gang members find Geneva to be a great picking ground: come in without being checked at the border, harvest, and get out quickly, again without being checked at the border. Little risk, high reward. Whereas this is doubtless one factor, the sad truth is that the pickpocket or aggressor is just as likely to be Swiss .
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Re: Pickpockets in Geneva

Hello
I visited Geneva at December 29 2019. My hotel was just across the street of main train station of Geneva, Gar de Carnavin. When I went out to dinner at 5 pm I've got pickedpockertted at the street of Gar de Carnavin. My wallet was my rear pocket of my bagpack and there was a guy walking very near behind me .
First I was disturbed by his walking very near me. But I didn't think he would pickpockets me, because before I came to Geneva everybody told me Switzerland and Geneva were very safe. Because of that I didn't suspect that guy, but he stole my walllet. Everything happened in 15 minutes. When I realized my my wallet was stolen I immediatelly went to the police station in the train station, but the police station was closed.
So If you go to Geneva, if you near to Gar de Carnavin be careful.
You can be pickpockets easily and police isn't interested. They simply don't care. I personally faced it.
I'm living in USA and I used my bag-pack while I'm traveling around USA. I always put my wallet in rear pocket of my bag-pack and I have never faced pickpocketing in USA.
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Re: Pickpockets in Geneva

The police have arrested a couple who were at it:
https://www.bluewin.ch/fr/infos/regi...in-346961.html

Watch out for people at the station, especially with their tricks like bumping into you "by accident", starting a random conversation etc. Just keep your wallet and phone deep in your pockets or your bag which you hold on tight too.


All the locals from Geneva say the station is a crime hotspot but having lived in London and Paris it looks and feels much safer.
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Re: Pickpockets in Geneva

I agree with London. Left there after 20 years in 2004, it had ceased to feel safe then. Never went back until 2013 and loathed it so much I decided I'm not bothered about going back there. I felt I needed to have my wits about me the whole time. My friend lives near the South Bank and often walks to the West End, he was followed home along the South Bank one evening then assaulted and robbed on his doorstep.


I read the newspaper report link, is there anywhere in Europe you can go to that doesn't have a problem with people of Roma extraction robbing people? London had them begging on the underground as far back as the late 90s and I can remember women with "sleeping" toddlers sitting begging on the walk from Tower Hill tube to St Katherine Docks (I used to housekeep for a corporate let there one day a week). It seemed to coincide with new Easyjet routes coming into Stansted. Even the backwater I come from in Scotland has a problem and the authorities never do anything about it.
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I have yet to go to a big city where there is no theft, crime around its train station. It has always been the case and people who naively think otherwise need to get out of their village more. Any valuables are carefully tucked at the front, eyes of full alert, whichever train station I need to go to, Geneva like any other.
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I agree with London. Left there after 20 years in 2004, it had ceased to feel safe then. Never went back until 2013 and loathed it so much I decided I'm not bothered about going back there. I felt I needed to have my wits about me the whole time. My friend lives near the South Bank and often walks to the West End, he was followed home along the South Bank one evening then assaulted and robbed on his doorstep.


I read the newspaper report link, is there anywhere in Europe you can go to that doesn't have a problem with people of Roma extraction robbing people? London had them begging on the underground as far back as the late 90s and I can remember women with "sleeping" toddlers sitting begging on the walk from Tower Hill tube to St Katherine Docks (I used to housekeep for a corporate let there one day a week). It seemed to coincide with new Easyjet routes coming into Stansted. Even the backwater I come from in Scotland has a problem and the authorities never do anything about it.

Around Waverley Station in Edinburgh, it's all those pipers! Don't know which Easyjet route they've been using, but they're everywhere, piping for money, honestly!
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